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NAC were basically parts guns. If this one is a Colt receiver, it was left over w/o a S/N and was used by Numrich Arms to build a working Thompson.

 

Frank Iannamico wrote a two or three piece article in SAR last year, shedding some light on the history of the NAC Thompsons...

 

 

Prices are lower than WWII Thompsons...

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Looks like a Savage Receiver with the NY address...

 

It is definitely a Numrich Arms Thompson on a Savage Receiver that most likely was caught up in the change over to the M1 models. But, who really knows...

 

These receivers we found by some employees of NAC. and they were registered on Form 2s as assembly is considered manufacturing.

 

Have never seen the paperwork on these guns.

 

I have seen a few of the NACs at some of the shoots and shows that I have attended.

 

I can see it selling for around 20k.

 

But, the buyer has to know what they are getting.

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i saw this earlier today and thought it was a good deal....i would not be a fan of the m1 selectors, but its a NAC and is what it is...a parts gun...

 

funny how they jacked the price $4k.....stupid no one bought it at $20k...i would have thought it would sell in a hour....if someone wanted they could just swap a few parts and have a more authentic looking WW2 1928

 

someone missed a good deal....now its priced more correctly...still looks good.....

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As a newbie buyer wanting to purchase based on collecting which one would be the best for investment

 

A type like this with nac 1928

 

A west Hurley gun 1928

 

Or a refurbished WW ll 1928a1

 

Just looking and trying to learn, very new to the Thompson and really won't to stay in mid to upper 20's max so the crown jewel of a colt is out for me.

 

Welcome any opinions from others with better knowledge than I

 

Thanks

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S-21460 is definitely an interesting Savage Thompson. There is nothing I see that would indicate it is a Numrich Arms manufactured Thompson that started life on a Form 2 in West Hurley, New York...or simply stated, one of the "crate" Thompsons. Yes, I do see the NAC serial number suffix. This only means the Numrich Arms Company owned and sold it at one time. It could easily be an import Thompson from the 1960's or 70's that was rebuilt at some unknown government depot before entering the commercial marketplace via Interarms or other such companies. Two Board members own Savage Thompsons with serial numbers a few hundred numbers before and after this Savage. That tells me this is an original Savage manufactured receiver with an original serial number. I do agree it is a parts guns as many of the early Savage parts found on a Thompson in this serial number range are missing. I would withhold any judgements without more information - and many more pictures. I cannot believe the seller is not showcasing the patent dates on the right side of the receiver. A Freedom of Information Act request would answer many questions and most likely end a lot the guess work.

 

I would like to know if the serial number on the frame matches the receiver. More pictures of the barrel collar and compensator would also be a plus. What I see right now is an early Savage shooter grade Thompson.

 

All good stuff! Thank you for sharing.

 

TD.

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As a newbie buyer wanting to purchase based on collecting which one would be the best for investment

 

A type like this with nac 1928

 

A west Hurley gun 1928

 

Or a refurbished WW ll 1928a1

 

Just looking and trying to learn, very new to the Thompson and really won't to stay in mid to upper 20's max so the crown jewel of a colt is out for me.

 

Welcome any opinions from others with better knowledge than I

 

Thanks

My opinion on value would be:

Refurbished matching 1928A1

This gun (NAC imported gun)

NAC produced gun

West Hurley

 

Certainly would have been a buy at $20k assuming it runs well and was not heavily dewated at some point.

 

Ron

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I have a friend who has a Savage '28 NAC marked gun. Its a nice clean gun and even though it says NAC on it, the gun is a WWII Savage (Bridgeport) gun. I don't look down on these just for having "NAC" stamped on it.

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Looks to me like the Lyman sight may be held on with screws. Hard to tell with the ladder partially covering them. If that is the case it is a heavily modified gun, in my opinion. I think the first listing price is closer to reality.

 

Taking a closer second look at the sight rivets on my computer, they appear to be sloppily applied rivets, probably not screws. Doesn't look like the factory applied rivets I have observed on other Savage 1928 Model guns.

 

Lyman sight rivets.jpg

 

 

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Agree with gijive that the rear sight rivets definitely need a closer look. It is very difficult to make a 20K plus judgement based on four pictures. Anyone that has any interest would be well served to ask for many more pictures. This may be one where an in-person inspection is a must. I would also like to know how long the Massachusetts owner has owned this Thompson and where he purchased it from. This information should be easily obtained and could be very revealing as to past history.

 

As to value, I would much rather have an original finish and complete WWII Thompson with the "NAC" serial number suffix mark than a Thompson that has been refinished or refurbished. The difference between a NAC manufactured "crate" Thompson versus a West Hurley depends entirely on the NAC Thompson. Those I have seen with complete Colt marked receivers would certainly be more desirable than a West Hurley. Many of the NAC's with original Savage marked receivers would also be better in my opinion. However, I have seen some where a West Hurley may be the better option for the average owner because it is a standard production Thompson and easily understandable in the marketplace. As you can tell from my two-part story in Small Arms Review, I have a pretty good understanding of what happened when George Numrich purchased the Thompson gun. I hope to update that story sometime in the future because new information has already surfaced. It is definitely a continuing story.

 

All good stuff!

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TD., on 02 Feb 2013 - 16:17, said:

There was no standardization of parts or build sheet for a Savage Thompson sold commercially by AOC in 1940/41. Can you point me to any documentation that indicates AOC even recognized or acknowledged making non-military sales inside the USA after all the Colt's were sold?

 

Does your statement include or preclude S-21460 (considering the Savage serial number parameters of being under 27,000) from beginning life as a "Commercial" Savage?

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I would have to see the quotation in the original context to make sure we are on the same page. 2013 was a long time ago for someone that does original research but on its face the statement is true - in February 2013. I can now state with documentation AOC did recognize and acknowledge making non-military sales inside the USA after all the Colt's were sold. See page 24; Great Britain - The Tommy Gun Story.

 

Based only on the advertisement and four pictures I would not rule out S-21460 may have started life with a commercial sale by AOC to a law enforcement organization. However, it is far from being in that category today. My best guess based on available information right now is an import Thompson that found its way to Numrich Arms. However, all opinions are welcome...and valid.

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Based only on the advertisement and four pictures I would not rule out S-21460 may have started life with a commercial sale by AOC to a law enforcement organization.

 

Interesting. That would certainly be way ahead of Buzz's schedule for another Savage "Commercial" offering.

 

 

buzz, on 16 Apr 2017 - 08:26, said:

 

Well, we shall see in 5 or 10 years when the next Savage Commercial comes up for sale

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if you wanted to bring it back to its original S commercial condition i dont think you would ever find all the correct parts.......ive searched for lower spares and they arent there...has the milled ejector still.....my guess is since the lower doesnt have anything correct that its not a matching # gun anymore

 

at $20k it was a great deal and could be made to look correct...at $24k its not that great of a deal for a collector...for someone looking for a shooter its still a fair price....if the #'s match i think the price is correct for it....if not, its over priced in my opinion......the only thing early S may be the receiver

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I own a Savage 1928 NAC Thompson that I purchase a couple years back.

 

My example from what what I can discern appears to be somewhat complete with a numbers matching upper/lower and may have been a fairly intact gun that Numrich imported prior to 1968 as referenced in the SAR articles.

 

I am not the Thompson expert but figured I would share what my Savage NAC gun looks like as these NAC guns always bring up a lively discussion and appear to come in a variety of "configuration" flavors ranging from complete parts mix-match to fairly complete/intact examples.

 

I knew going into the deal that the collector value was always damaged by the "NAC" branding (regardless of how complete/original the gun was) but I am more of a shooter than a "collector" per say and this gun has run like a top since day it came home and the NAC branding saved me quite a few thousand dollars.

 

I would agree that the gun on subguns may make a great shooter and was a solid deal at $20K but appears to have a mix of non-original parts and I would speculate the upper and lower numbers don't match.

 

**Edited to add the serial number has the last couple digits edited out of the pictures on both the receiver and grip frame. The serial is in the 116,000 range, specifically S-11621X.

 

Overview:

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/Case2_zpslkk9k6i1.png

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/Left_Side_zps93hhj4ck.png

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/Left_Side_Zoom_zpsyfugtix5.png

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/Right_Side_zpszsgc19uv.png

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/Right_Side_zoom_zpshdodhsqc.png

 

Closeups:

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/serial_zpsmmuny1zq.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/patents_zpsomza0zle.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/gripframe_zpsnlmqspmz.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/gripframe2_zpsnkaozxun.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/foregrip_zpsjqol8h7b.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/stampsleft_zpswxpk2fyr.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/stampsrigt_zpsbgtjwpvh.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/rearsight_zpsonr21ff5.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/rivets_zps6uvxfdqm.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/jbntex/thompson/barrelstamp_zpsnvhbnwyb.jpg

 

One day when I get some free time I plan to file a FOID request on the paperwork trail.

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JBNTEX, I will defer to Tom but i believe your gun has been renumbered. i had always thought that first savage guns picked up where colt left off--in the 15,000 range, not back at 11,000. also, a gun with a number this low should have patent dates and not patent numbers. patent numbers started with the higher numbered guns. just an observation. really like the proof marks.

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DLansky on 26 Apr 2017 -22:26, said

 

JBNTEX, I will defer to Tom but i believe your gun has been renumbered. i had always thought that first savage guns picked up where colt left off--in the 15,000 range, not back at 11,000. also, a gun with a number this low should have patent dates and not patent numbers. patent numbers started with the higher numbered guns. just an observation. really like the proof marks.

 

Sorry if the pictures caused confusion. The serial number is in the 116,000 range not the 11,000 range.

 

I edited out the last couple of digits. (I guess I accidentally did too good of a job in paint)

 

The serial is S-11621X.

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Dave,
He mentioned in his post that the gun is a 116,000 number. He edited the number with Photoshop to conceal the real number.

 

Sorry about the redundant post, I didn't refresh my phone when reading the original post and answering.

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If you do not mind.

 

What is listed in box 4a on your form 4.

 

Sometimes that helps, but a FOIA request will settle the initial registration issue.

 

We do them on all of our C&R NFA stuff.

 

Box 4A:

 

Name and Address of Maker, Manufacturer, and/or Importer of Firearm:

 

Numrich Arm. Corporation

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JBNTEX,

Welcome to the board and that is a nice Model of 1928 you have.

 

Judging by the markings, 'W over Crown' next to the 'GEG' stamp on the receiver and the 'E' stamping on the chamber area, that gun would have been one of the Pre lend lease 'Cash and Carry' Thompsons bought by the British. So it probably received its NAC stamps, upon its return journey across the Atlantic.

 

I like your case too, I have the same one, home for one of my 'deactivated', Model of 1928's, which also has the 'W over Crown' Woolwich Arsenal stamp on the receiver. On mine the Bridgeport address and patent numbers are reversed, Address at rear of receiver, under the rear sight

 

 

Stay safe

Richard

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