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#1 Gunner1

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

Greetings. I'm new here and I have some doubts about a Sten I own for some time. She has the name and the serial number placed in the magazine wall, but in a way different from all I've seen so far.
The model is marked "STEN MK 2" instead "STEN MK II" and the serial number is C.B.16X.
I've never seen one that wasn't marked with Roman numbers
She has a proof mark on the bolt that seems to be Belgian, as well as some scattered marks in other places that seem to be Belgians also.
If anyone can help me identify it, it will be much appreciated
I have attached some pictures for easy identification

Thanks

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

Gunner1,

Welcome to the board, and great first post! I'm not an expert on Belgian proof marks, but I did take a look at a book I have that covers some of them. While I didn't see these mark exactly, I can't rule out that they are not Belgian. The placement o the "L" on one of the marks is consistent with some that I observed in the book, while not exact. Perhaps our member "Balder" can provide some insight. He is one of our members from Belgium who watches this board. If you look at the pinned reference post at the top of the Sten board, you will see a couple of examples of Belgian Sten manuals, so yours could very well be a Belgian Sten.

Thanks!

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

Thanks for the welcome, David.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:15 PM

........ Perhaps our member "Balder" can provide some insight. He is one of our members from Belgium who watches this board......

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David et al,

Sorry, can't help you there - I'm Norwegian, not Belgian. But if I were to make a guess, I'd say this particular gun may at some stage have gone through an arsenal rebuild or overhaul and stamped accordingly.

The Mark "2" instead of "II" is intriguing. I think I have seen that years ago, on a Mk II that was secretly produced in Norway during WW2. There was quite a production of illegal STENs in machine shops in Oslo and possibly a few other places. Sometimes they were stamped with fake British markings, to try to keep Norwegian production secret. Some of these were smooth-bored, others had only two grooves in the bore (proper rifling demanded tooling that most of these shops didn't have) and some were equipped with barrels shipped from the UK. If such production also took place in other nazi-occupied countries, could this particular gun be one? Just a thought.

Balder

Edit: After looking more closely at the stampings, I'm thinking Asia. There's something "Asian" about them, especially the one on the bolt. And no, I have nothing to back this up, just a hunch.

Edited by Balder, 28 January 2013 - 04:20 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

Greetings. I'm new here and I have some doubts about a Sten I own for some time. She has the name and the serial number placed in the magazine wall, but in a way different from all I've seen so far.
The model is marked "STEN MK 2" instead "STEN MK II" and the serial number is C.B.16X.
I've never seen one that wasn't marked with Roman numbers
She has a proof mark on the bolt that seems to be Belgian, as well as some scattered marks in other places that seem to be Belgians also.
If anyone can help me identify it, it will be much appreciated
I have attached some pictures for easy identification

Thanks

Attached File  Sten (6)a.jpg   234.07K   18 downloads
Attached File  Sten (22).JPG   128.51K   21 downloads
Attached File  Sten (27).JPG   123.97K   21 downloads
Attached File  Sten (15).JPG   111.31K   22 downloads
Attached File  Sten (19).JPG   122.49K   21 downloads
Attached File  Sten (28).JPG   96.48K   23 downloads
Attached File  Sten (30)a.jpg   131.37K   27 downloads
Attached File  Sten (03).JPG   128.43K   33 downloads
Attached File  Sten (17).JPG   133.42K   24 downloads


Early Stens used numbers, but later changed to Roman Numerals, most if not all, Mark V Stens are marked with a Roman numeral.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:30 PM


........ Perhaps our member "Balder" can provide some insight. He is one of our members from Belgium who watches this board......

Thanks!

David Albert
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David et al,

Sorry, can't help you there - I'm Norwegian, not Belgian.


Balder,

My sincere apologies...But thanks for your valued input, anyway!

David
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

The change point from Roman to Arabic numbers was 17 Nov 1944. This was done to all marks of the Sten.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

David,

No problem! By the way, what happened to the Vickers board? Or is it just me that can't find it?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:31 PM

I'm pretty sure this is post war Belgian, are there any other markings on the barrel nut?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

Hi M3bobby.

These are some pictures of the barrel nut and the barrel.
Actually there are some markings on these two parts.

Here is the barrel nut marking
http://i1064.photobu...zps5b598cab.jpg

Here in the barrel chamber
http://i1064.photobu...zps77c5ded4.jpg

and here on the barrel
http://i1064.photobu...zpsc69f5471.jpg

I hope this can help a bit

Greetings
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 06:12 AM

They are the same markings found on some barrel nuts I purchased of a Belgian dealer, the finish and fit is identical also. The Belgians made many STEN Mk2s post war and for the UK MOD in the 1950s to replace war stocks and supplement those sent to Korea, these were not up to UK standards and many parts weren't to UK spec, the chambre being to 9mm Luger is one. So the contract was cancelled after only a few were delivered.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:28 AM

Thanks for the help m3bobby.
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