colt21a Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 i was talking with a old time dealer the other day{no!! i was not talking to myself in the mirror}>wink! and he mentioned the mp-38 rarity and the thompson's...and said the thompson is the one... i told him WRONG!! the mp-38 is the much rarer gun. due to the amount of numbers produced,and what survived the war,and what had returned to the u.s.a.legally. the original colts numbered 15,000 the military in the million's... the mp-40 just around one million plus.. however the original mp-38 just around>42,000... and i mentioned i am sure all 42,000 did not end up in the u.s.a.after the war... and if only 20% or so ended up in this country.that would be less then 8,400 mp-38's...{my guess around 1,000 or so} but of course the thompson is the one to have,with the mp-38 then the mp-40 a close second and third.... then he mentioned selling a mp-40 for $7,000.00.i was lucky or unlucky depending on how you look at it.to see this gun at a local t.c.c.show in sept. a original 660 code early first variant mp-40,smooth mag. housing,first style cocking handle {hook type} all matched number's,in about 95% cond. {yep missed another deal} so do all thompson owners have the axis mp-40 in the collection,or even a replica?? take care,ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hey Ron,..I got mine...mp40 that is..along with a 21, Savage 28 and a PK/WH 28...now for rarity,try a Schnellfuhrer...brutal on the thumb,but definitely something you don`t see everyday... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 QUOTE (21 smoker @ Oct 13 2004, 01:36 PM) Hey Ron,..I got mine...mp40 that is..along with a 21, Savage 28 and a PK/WH 28...now for rarity,try a Schnellfuhrer...brutal on the thumb,but definitely something you don`t see everyday... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif i had a dealer send me some pics of his pre-86 he is selling for $4,500.00 with replica shoulder stock and 10 and 20 shot mag,he says original finish,only holster wear. the holster is wood??? i was not too impressed with the pic's..{or the looks of the gun} it is bad to have a disease of only having minty,or new in box stuff. i realize alot of dealers and collector's that are out there are used to worn,patina,shot,used worn stuff!! i have not owned much of it..........so its getting harder and harder to buy.when i see the stuff that is being sold today..{FOR BIG BUCK'S} in all honesty i would rather have a restored sample of something.then some beat to hell, rusted, pitted,mismatched,shot out, relic!! the poorest piece i own is a mismatched,exc.cond.ayf 43 mp-40..{and i am not selling it} i guess the greed factor will keep rising on all this stuff.till they stop buying...thats about the time the demand for oil will stop.wink!! glad you have you're stuff...keep it. take care,ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye_Joe Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Ron, I got a tube MP40 in the mix now and a WH M1 and a Military Reising also a DLO Sterling coming down the pipe. This should round out my collection for a while.. Being a late starting collector with deep but not "SO" deep pockets puts ya in a position where shopping is mandatory. I like my "shooters" don't want a "Safe Queen" I'd be hesitant to shoot. I'll probably hav PK refurbish both Thompson's to Mil-spec when I get a chance but until then a few scratches and stuff ain't bothering me.. .. I know I'm rambling but I'm still on a "high" from having fired my first LEGAL MG in my life.. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Take care Ron.. Oh..one of the mags I used was one of the ones I got from you ..so everytime I fire I think of ya.. .. don't get scared.. it's not a Gay thing..*LMAO* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 I`ve seen that one posted for sale,Ron,...that would be kinda neat to have and shoot...the mags are hard to find for me,anyway...sterlings,stens,reisings,uzis,macs,madsens,bars,beltfeds,...hope I live long enough to wear `em out...well just a little bit,... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted October 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 i thought that was a guy thang??wink!!glad to hear you have a 40, i just see alot of new collectors now paying bigger buck's...for not so nice a cond.nowadays...and dealers also. thats what's out there to buy i guess........ i sold all my safe queen's this past week..even to a member here.and all my ratholed goodies.... now just a few shooter's.mp-40, m-16,a ole .45colt, its called beating the vultures to the safe game!!wink!! we all enjoy what we do.we just have to keep on enjoyin it.....hope those mags work...rich on the board is getting the last batch i had... run a mag through the 40 for me...they are fun gun's....take care,ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 what is the current price on a fully transferable beretta MP38 these days in okay(good) condition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMG28 Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yes, Ron, I also have an MP-40. It's a really nice all-matching Erma from 1943. It impressed Frank, so it's a keeper for sure. Not a Safe Queen, but somewhat pampered like the rest of the items in my safe. It's that WWII thing banging around in my head.... Gotta have both the 28A1 and MP-40! Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 I have an all-matching Steyr made MP40, bnz41 coded. If I'm hauling out one of the Thompsons for someone who has never fired a submachine gun, I'll take along the MP40 as well so that they can do an informal comparison. This seems to be pretty popular and much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Ron, here's my Savage 28A-1 and my AYF41 MP40 early transitional model. Both original WWII C&R Guns. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/hawkey/thompson2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/hawkey/mp40aa.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Hawk, I've seen your beautiful Thompson before, but that MP40 looks outstanding!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 QUOTE (Walter63a @ Oct 14 2004, 08:04 PM) Hawk, I've seen your beautiful Thompson before, but that MP40 looks outstanding!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter My thougts exactly! That MP40 is NICEOLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Thanks Walter and John Jr It is super nice and it all matches to boot. I shoot with a shooter barrel, bolt, and recoil tube, don't want to take any chances. I have an awesome MP44 too if you would like to see a pic, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well duh! Lets see it too! Hell fire, we're all about those machine guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Well shazam, then here it is. Haenel FXO 44. Matching http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/hawkey/mp44b.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamm Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Hawk, That is absoultly an amazing piece! The condition of that 44, looks new! Tell me, From a design standpoint, the swept back grip looks fantastic. But how is it to shoot? Man, those guys had some mean looking things cooking up in the 40's. Best Zamm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Zamm, It fits your hand like a glove and with the weight (12lbs empty), and the relatively slow rate of fire, it is very easy to control. It's a blast (no pun intended) to shoot! I got it from a WWII major about 12 years ago. He brought it back from Germany at wars end. Probably picked out the best one he could find. I also bought about 2000 round of 7.92 Kurz at the same time, about half late war German and the rest was 60's eastern block stuff. Best regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Quick question for you MG RKI type dudes. Whats up with the funky angle of the pistol grip on that weapon and also on the FG 42? Just wondering... (Sorry to Hi Jack this thread) Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 John, Believe it or not, the angle of the grip is virtually identical to that of the thompson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 The bipod looks cool on it for sure. Is your gun a 43I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglewalk Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hawk, Phil or anyone; If you need blank adaptors for your MP-43/44s, I have them........jw http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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