railroader Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) A little off subject, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience with any of of the fake selector switches for the M1A, such as the ones made by Fulton Armory. These attach to the stock, and in no way are, or could be connected to the M1A receiver. They are described as non-functional, and cosmetic only. My question is, could or would these created a legal issue with the ATF. Railroader Edited March 24, 2010 by railroader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Disclaimer: I am not an expert or a lawyer. I talked to the guy from James River, because he had one in his display M1A at the Shot Show. He said it got a lot of "attention" from the ATF guys at the show, but when he showed them it was completely non-functional they didn't give him any problems. Of course when in doubt, contact your local branch office and try to get an answer in writing. -wwiifirearms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroader Posted March 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Disclaimer: I am not an expert or a lawyer. I talked to the guy from James River, because he had one in his display M1A at the Shot Show. He said it got a lot of "attention" from the ATF guys at the show, but when he showed them it was completely non-functional they didn't give him any problems. Of course when in doubt, contact your local branch office and try to get an answer in writing. -wwiifirearms Thanks. I have been wondering, because I recently sold an M1A to a fellow in Oregon, that I had installed one of those fake selector switches on. I had my FFL ship to his, and when his opened it, he called the ATF, thinking perhaps that he was looking at a machine gun. Not being a class 3 dealer, I can understand his concern. We are now awaiting the outcome of their "investigation". We shall see. Railroader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted March 26, 2010 Report Share Posted March 26, 2010 Disclaimer: I am not an expert or a lawyer. I talked to the guy from James River, because he had one in his display M1A at the Shot Show. He said it got a lot of "attention" from the ATF guys at the show, but when he showed them it was completely non-functional they didn't give him any problems. Of course when in doubt, contact your local branch office and try to get an answer in writing. -wwiifirearms Thanks. I have been wondering, because I recently sold an M1A to a fellow in Oregon, that I had installed one of those fake selector switches on. I had my FFL ship to his, and when his opened it, he called the ATF, thinking perhaps that he was looking at a machine gun. Not being a class 3 dealer, I can understand his concern. We are now awaiting the outcome of their "investigation". We shall see. Railroader Those are of no interest to ATF because the selectors are cosmetic and have no effect on the function of the firearm. No different than having Full engraved on an AR15 receiver, it does not effect the function. The dealer must have been primarily a Fud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 These are perfectly legal because the M1A has no disconnector and no receiver slot for the disconnector. These fake swiches attach to nothing but the wood of the stock. No problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroader Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Thanks for the response guys. I still haven't heard from the purchaser, as to the outcome of the ATF's "investigation", but I'm not going lose any sleep waiting for them to pay me a visit. Railroader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embalmer Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 (edited) Ill throw my .02 in on this. I had one of the blackhawk (i think thats who made it) dummy selector kits on my SA inc M1A. Was att he range firing it, and guy next to me took notice. he came over and asked to see it, and long story short he was a Lt. in the MA State police. Just before I was formally arrested for possessing a machinegun without a machinegun license, another shooter, who was a buddy of mine, and a officer for the town we were in, intervened, and took the gun apart to show it was a dummy and non functional. They are legal, but they attract the wrong attention. Needless to say that kitnever was on the gun when it left the house again. Edited May 15, 2010 by Embalmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Ill throw my .02 in on this. I had one of the blackhawk (i think thats who made it) dummy selector kits on my SA inc M1A. Was att he range firing it, and guy next to me took notice. he came over and asked to see it, and long story short he was a Lt. in the MA State police. Just before I was formally arrested for possessing a machinegun without a machinegun license, another shooter, who was a buddy of mine, and a officer for the town we were in, intervened, and took the gun apart to show it was a dummy and non functional. They are legal, but they attract the wrong attention. Needless to say that kitnever was on the gun when it left the house again. No one ever said you had to be smart to be a member of the MA state police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomallen Posted May 13, 2012 Report Share Posted May 13, 2012 Legal or not, a lot will have to do with the ATF field agent. The agents that haunt the gun shows are enforcement agents and the ones that come in the gun shops for spot checks are accounting. The accounting guys and gals in my experiance are pretty cool and will point out a violation and give a chance to " fix the situation". As far as commercial items for sale they are legal but if enough questions arize ATF will examine and publish an official notice to dealers. One example is the wallet holster that was made by a large holster manufacturer. You could take a Seecamp or Berretta Minx pistol and wrap the holster around it and stick in your back pocket a very good design, very popular and the shop I worked in sold a crap load. ATF ruled that as soon as a pistol was inscerted it was no longer a pistol or a holster it was a wallet that shoots. ATF told the manufacturer not to produce any more. And this might happen with the dummy attachment not illegal but no longer produced under ATF direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 (edited) Hmm, I got one of them run fast switches on my rifle. It's attached to the metal and works just fine. I think that's why it's called an M 14? If you have an M1A or M14/S type rifle and don't want the hassel, leave the solid stock on it. That's what I did with my chicom M14/S altho it wasn't because I was worried about any hassel. I just didn't see any benifit to putting a military stock on it. Unfortunately the atf is over populated with a variety of 1st klass idiots. I would bet that it makes the realy good, knowlegable agents job a lot harder.Sarge Edited May 17, 2012 by Sarge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Guys, You do realize you are posting to a thread that was over and done with two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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