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OK, I am new to this board. I own SBR's and lots of other guns but now I'm getting a Reising M50 (my first subgun)waiting on the tax stamp. I know its goin to take a few months but thats the way it is. But I am so fired up over it I can't hardly stand it! It is in the 7xxx range, dates it to 1941. It's blued and looks great! I have done a lot of reading on this board and I sure hope it funtions OK. Just wanted to say hello to everyone! I have learnd a lot already here! Looking foward to posting pics when I get her home!!! I have bought up some spare parts....can someone tell me what differant parts i will need to have on hand!! thanks, jhm
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Lots of mags, original XX or Christie XXX.

Christie firing pin and replacement spring kit.

 

I just got a M50 myself, strip it down and inspect

and debur the internals. I had to replace the extractor and

selector lever screws.

 

Post if you have any problems, there is several

experienced Reising experts on the board.

 

-Darryl

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Will do, I'm looking at another one. Don't know weather I will get it yet! But looking!

Lots of mags, original XX or Christie XXX.

Christie firing pin and replacement spring kit.

 

I just got a M50 myself, strip it down and inspect

and debur the internals. I had to replace the extractor and

selector lever screws.

 

Post if you have any problems, there is several

experienced Reising experts on the board.

 

-Darryl

 

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Here's a pic of my new (old) 1941 Reising!http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1113.jpgsorry wrong pic, lets try this againhttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1096.jpg Edited by jhm
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some more picshttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1104.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1107.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1105.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1102.jpg
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and a few morehttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1108.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1101.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1111.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1110.jpghttp://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/jmh50acp/DSCF1100.jpg Edited by jhm
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Thanks for the comments, delbert. I know that it's a commercial model was manufactured in 1941, and it's blued and the serial # is 70xx. It had been in a collection for years. I love it! It has blued parts and I think if I shot it and broke one, I could not fine blued parts. But there could be another one comming soon and it may be a shooter. I'm not saying that I will not shoot this one, but it did look better than I thought it would once I got it!

 

When I do get the other one in, maybe it will not be as nice! and it will be my shooter!

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JHM,

 

Great looking Reising, and welcome to the board.

 

I think that it is possible that you have a replacement stock.

I say this due to the low (4 digit) serial #, and Knurled takedown screw, and 3 screw trigger guard, as they are later Items. Also the grain and finish of the stock is inconsistent with the early guns which I have examined.

 

Is there a letter prefix to the serial number?

 

If you don't have Frank Iannamico's book, The Reising Submachine Gun Story, I highly recommend it. It's not expensive, at about $15.00.

 

I hope it runs great, I love mine,

 

Pete A.

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I see what you are talking about, but I looked in Frank Iannamico's book, I have had it for quite a while and looking at it again and he does not give a definitive answers on these parts, early - late but does not rule out anything. It does not say from this serial# to this serial# Reising used these parts. I have seen lab box with gun all original with 2 screw trigger guard and big thumb screw. And the stock sure seems to be original, from other ones I have seen. The collector that I bought it from knows them and he said its correct thats why he had it in his collection for 20yrs.

 

 

But I could be wrong!

 

 

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Hey, GUNGUY45

I did some more resarch and found one for sale on the internet serial # just a few numbers below mine (70xx). And the trigger guard was 2 screw and the take down screw was the smaller. And also found one about 1200 higher # that was the same. So you could be right.

 

thanks, JHM

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jhm,

 

I was looking at Franks book again, and he says, that one way to identify an early gun is the 2 screw guard, he also says the 3 screw stamped guards were parkerized.(page 46)

 

I know there were alot of "transitional" guns made that are a real mix of parts. But your sn is way too early for that.

Mine is all early parts, blued, 27/28 fin, 2 screw guard, small takedown screw, 1 pc bumper plug, turned down selector switch, adjustable front sight, etc. It's in the 38XXX sn range. With that late of a sn, you'd think it would have some later parts, but it doesn't.

 

We've got to remember that the guns are all but 70 years old and some have been in civilian hands for almost that long, things get changed.

 

Getting a FOIA report is a good way to at least see the number of transfers that your gun went through, and when it changed hands.

 

My original stock is cracked in the reciever lug recess area, so I got a Numrich replacement.

 

I just pulled out my orig. stock, and yours actually isn't that different in grain, so I may be mistaken.

 

Have fun with your piece of history,

 

Pete

 

ps: the scratch on the left side of your stock above the take down screw which looks like an "M" is almost identical to the scratch on my orig. stock, in the same location. ........odd.

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Just wanted to let everyone know.......

 

I got my "Tax Stamp" in at the Class 3 dealer Sat. He called today Sun. and said the weather looked bad for Mon. & Tue. that I could come over to his shop and pick it up! Just got home and stuck it in the safe had something to get done before tomorrow! Will get back and in the safe tonight or some time tomorrow evening. Going to look it over real good :D

 

I have to send in the "Application for Machine Gun Registration" to the State Police. Will take about 2 weeks to get it back. Can't shoot it till then!

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Are you in the Democratic state of Maryland?

-Darryl

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jhm

Congrats on the Reising 50. I can perhaps help a bit on the manufacture date as I have one that I have the stats on. Mine is S/N 677X, and I have a letter from H&R stating that it left the factory on December 8, 1941. (I wonder what the topic of conversation at the factory was that day, huh?) It has a regular screw for takedown, not the knurled knob, and has the 2 screw triggerguard. And it was shipped to Federal Laboratories in PA. I hope that may help a bit.

Also, I had problems with mine, but with the help of those such as Dalbert and TexasVWnut was able to solve them, so if you run into trouble, get on the forum here and let them know. I was having problems with feeding...it would fire one or two rounds and jam. Thanks to their diagnosis, it now runs like a champ.

I would suggest that you may want to get a spring kit from Numrich Arms. I replaced the mainspring and firing pin, and firing pin spring, since they were more than 70 years old. However, to replace these, you'll have to take out the two pins and get the magazine housing off, and the pins on mine were not "standard". I don't know what they were. But whoever put that magazine housing on mine way back when, meant it to stay there. When I was able to get that off, I found that the firing pin was broken about 1/2" from the front. This seems to be somewhat common with the Reising. What happened was that the broken part of the firing pin, not being attached to the rest of it, would poke out of the firing pin hole on the breechface and catch the rim of the next round in the magazine coming up during cycling. I was surprised it would even shoot one or two rounds like that, because it was a clean break. So again, think about checking these parts and maybe get a firing pin or two from Numrich as well as the spring kit, and replace the mainspring and firing pin spring too. I noticed that the original springs in my 50 were very fatigued compared to the ones I replaced them with. Hell, 70 years is a long time. Since that was resolved, it runs great. Good luck with the new acquisition.

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Darrtlta,

no, I live in Virginia! The only state I have ever lived in. Seems to be a gun friendly state.

 

Bounty1,

I have read that my Ser.# puts mine around end of Dec, 1941. I want to find out info on it, I think I have to contact the BATFE? I will have to find out. I have bought spring kits and firing pins. And other spare parts. Do all the springs come in the kit? I think I have read your post about the problem you was having. Very informative post with pics. I will make sure things are in order the best I can before I fire it. Going to try to post a new pic!...

 

 

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Nice m50 and 1911, I live in the Baltimore area and work in the DC and Eastern VA. area. I'm presently doing a job

in Lorton VA. If you need a hand PM me and yes, the spring kits normally have all the springs included.

Enjoy,

Darryl

 

 

 

Darrtlta,

no, I live in Virginia! The only state I have ever lived in. Seems to be a gun friendly state.

 

Bounty1,

I have read that my Ser.# puts mine around end of Dec, 1941. I want to find out info on it, I think I have to contact the BATFE? I will have to find out. I have bought spring kits and firing pins. And other spare parts. Do all the springs come in the kit? I think I have read your post about the problem you was having. Very informative post with pics. I will make sure things are in order the best I can before I fire it. Going to try to post a new pic!...

 

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jhm.

I don't think you're going to have any luck talking to BATFE about possible manufacturing dates. I just don't think they are in that business. The reason I was able to get a date on my Mdl50 date was because H&R was still in business when I made my inquiry, which was about 20 years ago. I made a recent inquiry, and was told that those records are no longer available; destroyed in a fire. lost, whatever. They are not available, so all you have to go on is some folks that know the sure date of their Reising's manufacture. I was lucky to find out mine as being 12/8/1941, when the records were still available. Like I said, mine is S/N 677x, so that would seem to put yours toward the end of December 1941, but I'm afraid that's about as close as you're going to get.

As someone mentioned above, you get the "whole" spring kit. Includes every spring, but the other ones in mine were OK so I just let things be except for the recoil/operating spring and the trigger spring. And of course replaced the broken firing pin. Good Luck.

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I know by production dates mine was built Dec. 1941, the info I would like to have is who all it has been registered to through the years. I think you can fine out that infomation from BATFE through the (FOIA). I'm not sure yet but I will fine out who does that. These weapons have to be registered and you can fine out their trail. Would be cool to know! Are you saying that H&R records are gone or the feds records are gone? If it comes down that I can not fine out thats OK just thought it would be cool to know. Thanks for the spring info, hope it funtions when I do get to shoot it!

 

I do have another Reising M50 comming Ser.# 111x Looking foward to getting it!

Going to be a while, :banghead:

 

 

 

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JHM

With a S/N of 1XXX, I have to believe it was one of the first. Anyway, if you are looking for all the previous owners, I guess BATFE would be the place to start. When I went to check on some further info with my Mdl 50 just a few months ago, I found out that Remington was the one that had all the records for H&R when they went out of business, and Remington advised that the manufacturing records had been destroyed for the Mdl 50's, inadvertently I hope, but non the less, unavailable. I was able to trace that mine was shipped to Federal Labs in PA, but I got it through Roger (can't think of his last name now), when he was selling a bunch of full-autos in the 80's. That's about all the info I was able to get, other than the date of 12/8/41 as the factory departure date.

It seems unusual that your stock would be so different from mine with just not many S/N's in between. Mine has the 2 screw trigger guard, full fin barrel, blue, take down screw rather than knurled knob, color case hardened safety, especially if you say yours left the factory in 12/41 also. Someone may have swapped out the stock somewhere along the line on yours. I don't think they could have made that many stock changes in less than a month's time. In any case you will have a great shooter, especially if you replace the springs I mentioned and check that firing pin.

Keep me advised as to how you make out with the BATFE.

Regards,

Bounty1

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Bounty1,

I belive the stock may have been changed out and two parts also. But the good thing is all the parts are blued except the sear and the selector switch. All the other parts are blued. It's in such good shape I can't figure why anyone would want to change them except if they were broken. You can't fine extra blued parts anymore from what I've seen. The bore is shinny and bright. I bought it to shoot it, but I take care of all my weapons. It will stay in this shape! I hope I get my state police registation papers back soon. (due back any day) Hope the weather gets a little warmer. Will let you know when I get info on weapon (FOIA). Later.......jhm

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Jhm,

Yes, keep me advised of how you make out when you get the next Mdl 50. I also take care of my guns, all of them, which is a chore at times, but enjoyable non the less. If you have any problems with feeding or firing with your new one, get in touch with TexasVWnut, DarylA, or myself. Daryl has a thread he can guide you to that goes through the whole process of what to look for if you start running into problems. If it wasn't for Daryl and TexasVWnut, I'd probably still be beating my brains out over mine. Following those directions step by step was the best trouble-shooting manual for the Mdl 50 I've ever seen.

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Bounty1,

Thanks for the advice. I will keep them mind. I just got my State Police MG Registration back and going out of town tomorrow so it will have to wait till I get back to shoot it. Will post range report when I do. Hopefully, it will go like I want it to. :D

 

GUNGUY45,

Thanks for telling me about the selector switch I did not know that. The sear is not blued also I wonder if it is hardened. That is the only other part that is not blued.

 

 

Later....jhm

 

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