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Ian McCollum of "Forgotten Weapons" with 1921AC #10163


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I recommend this video for the simple fact that 10163 is in EXCELLENT condition. All the info provided is common knowledge among collectors here, but I thought it would still be cool to share.

 

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Sig, you have to get out of the house more often! Everyone knows those are recoil cushions.

 

Seriously, though, I'm not sure where Ian got that idea. That being said I agree it was a good video and I'll look forward to the remainder of his Thompson reviews. When you consider how many firearms Ian reviews I think he does a great job and (as anal as I am) I'm willing to cut him some slack.

 

I bet he'd love to visit a TATA or TCA event.

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After the felt "buffer" comment I muted the video and just drooled an my keyboard at the Colt. My goodness what a sweet piece.

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I am really surprised that he did a video on this as it is not a forgotten weapon and probably never will be like the M16, AK, maxims, M2, etc.

 

"Forgotten weapons" as a term used by Ian speaks beyond the time we live in now. Machines and paper rot, electronic documentation is forever. He has said in interviews his mission is to primarily document rare unknown guns, but also seeks to preserve the history online of as many as he can. He has really gone all out to make this his career, so it is also also necessary that he produce a video to be released every day to keep his patreon supporters happy. So it was only a matter of time until he got to the TSMg and it's variants. You could say that half of the guns he covers are not "forgotten", but on the other side of the coin; most laymen can't tell you the difference between an M1A1 TSMG and a 1921A TSMG. So the fact he is documenting all the different types in an easy to access format is within the scope of the mission of his business.

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I'll give him props that he got to U.S. Postal Service Thompson purchase correct. I disagree that the Blish principle was a "flawed physical principle." One may argue whether it was necessary for the Thompson, but the principle itself was proven. Recoil cushions...I wonder where he got that one. He even denied they are oiling pads. I guess we can look at it as a bit of comedy inserted into the video...

 

David Albert

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... Recoil cushions...I wonder where he got that one. He even denied they are oiling pads. I guess we can look at it as a bit of comedy inserted into the video...

 

David Albert

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Perhaps someone should as diplomatically as possible point Ian to the Sep. 7, 1920 patent noted on the right side of the Thompson receiver. It's U.S. patent no. 1,352,414; and the title of the invention is "Breech Lubrication".

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His email is admin@forgottenweapons.com

 

He will correct his errors if enough of us reach out.

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I am really surprised that he did a video on this as it is not a forgotten weapon and probably never will be like the M16, AK, maxims, M2, etc.

 

"Forgotten weapons" as a term used by Ian speaks beyond the time we live in now. Machines and paper rot, electronic documentation is forever. He has said in interviews his mission is to primarily document rare unknown guns, but also seeks to preserve the history online of as many as he can. You could say that half of the guns he covers are not "forgotten", but on the other side of the coin; most laymen can't tell you the difference between an M1A1 TSMG and a 1921A TSMG. So the fact he is documenting all the different types in an easy to access format is within the scope of the mission of his business.

You make a very good point. This is how I interpret "Forgotten Weapons" as a collection of information for weapons, regardless of the times. To make sure the information is passed through generations and avoid said weapon to be forgotten, at the least it's history and development. Anybody can know what a Thompson is, but not everyone may know it's history which is an important part of any weapon's development and intended purpose.

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I thought it was a great video other than the very few flaws mentioned.

IMO this group tends to nit pick too much.

 

Ian has bumped interest in this gun (and others) through these vids.

 

A great service to the community in general.

I wonder if this gun brings a small premium because of the vid.

I have bought specific serial number guns that he has mentioned in other videos and its kind of neat to have a "famous video gun" ;)

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I thought it was a great video other than the very few flaws mentioned.

IMO this group tends to nit pick too much.

 

Ian has bumped interest in this gun (and others) through these vids.

 

A great service to the community in general.

I wonder if this gun brings a small premium because of the vid.

I have bought specific serial number guns that he has mentioned in other videos and its kind of neat to have a "famous video gun" ;)

LOL. It's just YouTube. I guess since Hickok45 used my M60E6, PPSh-41, MP44, and Colt BAR in his videos, then they are famous too? ;)

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I don't think I could talk for 5 minutes straight without saying something wrong, much less 25 minutes like Ian does in his videos.

 

Dude doesn't make egregious errors like that very often.

Correct. It is hard to not make mistakes. I do Machine Gun Mike, and it is a hell of a lot harder than people think to make videos and get your talking strait 100% of the time. Take the videos on YouTube for what they are worth. Entertaining and FREE.

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Took a look at the pre-sale estimate on Morphy's. Question: is the estimate in line with the visual condition of the weapon?

I would say the max estimate is low, if condition truly is amazing and everything is correct, however I have not examined the gun, pictures or video in enough detail to make any judgements. If one were interested in a high end gun, an in person inspection would be warranted in my opinion.

 

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Considering Ian McCullom opinions of the TSMG perhaps he isn't the best choice to host a Colt TSMG video for Morphy Auctions Lot #38

 

 

Picking and choosing 55 seconds of a 30 minute video is not being fair to the point being made with the video.

 

But, even within this 55 seconds, it is clear that Ian is not "dissing" the TSMG outright: he is saying that it is not a perfect weapon and is worthy of some criticism. Really, it is a video where Ian interviews Ken Hackathorn on his opinions of the Thompson in a combat role compared to other SMGs. The video has merit because most people put the TSMG on a mythical pedestal of perfection; and that is not helpful for the reality of the history of this gun. There is a reason the Army phased the TSMG out of service starting in 1944.

 

Assaulting Ian's credibility as firearms historian is absurd if you require him to be a fan of every firearm he documents. But he does not say, even in this 55 second clip, that he is not a fan of the TSMG. He says he is not a fan of shooting the TSMG. Which is entirely different.

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Picking and choosing 55 seconds of a 30 minute video is not being fair to the point being made with the video.

 

There is a reason the Army phased the TSMG out of service starting in 1944.

 

But he does not say, even in this 55 second clip, that he is not a fan of the TSMG. He says he is not a fan of shooting the TSMG. Which is entirely different.

 

You posted,

"After the felt "buffer" comment I muted the video and just drooled an my keyboard at the Colt."

It seems you "picked and choosed" portions of the video you wished to hear from Ian.

 

17 years is pretty good life span for a weapon to be a front line mainstay of the the U.S. arsenal considering it was obsolete before WWII. Cost of M1A1 to U.S. Government 1944 = $45(?) Cost of M3 Grease Gun 1944 = $15(?)

 

Not sure that Ian's response - 'eeeeewwww' - to even looking at the TSMG means "not a fan of shooting the weapon." It is not inconceivable that some people admire motorcycles, but do not wish to ride them. But if their response to looking at an H-D was - 'eeeeewwww' - they probably are not fans of bikes or riding them.

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It is not inconceivable that some people admire motorcycles, but do not wish to ride them.

 

The comment above describes me.

 

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Back to the TSMG...Most of us here love the Thompson. I certainly do. Is it the best submachine gun ever designed? No, but it's pretty darn good, particularly considering it is first generation. Most folks who don't like it have not fired one much, and don't know how to fire it correctly. They talk about how heavy it is, and that it has uncontrollable muzzle rise. I'll grant them the former, but none of us are lugging it around a battlefield, though I did carry mine all around Knob Creek for a full day, and survived. Some don't realize that the Thompson is capable of very good accuracy. Just look at some of the accuracy results we see each year at The American Thompson Show and Shoot, sponsored by the Hill family.

 

The Thompson's history is absolutely unmatched by any firearm in existence.

 

David Albert

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