huggytree Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/841247045 What did alltech do ? I assume a reweld would really stand out on a ppsh To make 9mm is it just a barrel swap? I see some old posts recommend adding a feed ramp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 Yes, pretty much a barrel swap for 9mm conversion. may need to adjust magazines little but otherwise fairly simple. Not sure who or how the gun was "made". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted October 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Sold in a day I had a chance at this gun months ago and chose against buying it. I knew it was a good deal. I assume it was reactivated by Alltech. If it said Russia as the maker and was a c&r I probably would have bought it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8tr Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 I would say 4 pictures that show basically nothing is telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted October 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Ive bought from the seller before. He is a good guy. I had gotten 20 pics. Its all refinished and perfect looking. No welds or dewat evidence I could see. But Im no expert on this gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 Sold in a day I had a chance at this gun months ago and chose against buying it. I knew it was a good deal. I assume it was reactivated by Alltech. If it said Russia as the maker and was a c&r I probably would have bought itC&R Shpagins typically cost twice that much - or more. A live one went for $50K at auction a while back, even a registered dewat fetched over $15K at another auction. Midwest currently has a fairly rough one for sale at $25K. 12K is pretty much market for rewats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 I don't know if the DEWAT you mention is the one I bought, but a C&R ppsh41 in "typical" original condition will sell for $20k+ I bought the one from the FL auction a year or so ago as DEWAT - but the only dewatting was a welded up barrel and a spot weld to the trunnion. a little judicious work on a mill and the barrel popped right out. No real marks of DEWATTING, Easy peasy replacement as I had several on hand. The last C&R ppsh I had was a 1943 reblued, and it was sold for $23k about 8 years ago. At $15k, I felt it was worth the cost, and I wanted a C&R to have in the long term collection... Pretty sure I would not sell it for $23 k now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Pretty sure I was referring to yours. There aren't that many, if any, out there at that price. Nice score on the "minimum rewat." I thought I wanted a Shpagin till I saw what they were going for, now not so much. If I'd seen that one before the lucky buyer did I probably would have jumped. I was just trying to point out to huggytree that he wasn't going to touch a C&R for kind of money that this one went for. Thinking about it, this one probably wasn't a rewat either, it was more likely a tube gun (well OK they're not exactly a tube but same-same) that would explain the extremely clean condition and the low asking price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted October 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Is there a home made receiver for a ppsh ? Ppsh isnt a tube gun. , so its not like a sten or mp40 tube. Seller has a 2Nd one still probably available. Not as pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 They are a relatively simple stamping if you have the press and dies. I don't know if anyone was making them back before '86 but there's at least one current source for postie receivers: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/9856-wts-ppsh41-and-m60-80-recievers/#comment-27956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Iannamico Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Is there a home made receiver for a ppsh ? Ppsh isnt a tube gun. , so its not like a sten or mp40 tube. Seller has a 2Nd one still probably available. Not as prettyI have seen PPSh "receivers" for sale at Knob Creek, basically a curved piece of thick sheet-metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted October 30, 2019 Report Share Posted October 30, 2019 Are they serialized and transferable?with a parts kit that has a cut up receiver you'd be 90% of the way to a Shpagin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Wow I cant believe theyve gone up that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Wow I cant believe theyve gone up that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted November 17, 2019 Report Share Posted November 17, 2019 Sold in a day I had a chance at this gun months ago and chose against buying it. I knew it was a good deal. I assume it was reactivated by Alltech. If it said Russia as the maker and was a c&r I probably would have bought itC&R Shpagins typically cost twice that much - or more. A live one went for $50K at auction a while back, even a registered dewat fetched over $15K at another auction. Midwest currently has a fairly rough one for sale at $25K. 12K is pretty much market for rewats.$50 K, wow. I bought one in very good condition with 3 spare parts kits and about 12K rounds of Polish ammo for $20,000 about a year ago and thought I might have overpaid for it. But $50 K -- it better be a museum piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 Keep in mind that the Russian guns were not "museum quality" when they left the factory. I had a reblued C&R that looked "nice" but not real. The 1943 DEWAT is about par for Russian condition. real C&R ppsh's sell for a lot more than ""newer made" If you got one for $20k with all the stuff you did well. They are a hoot to shoot, trophy wife likes it, and fairly easy to convert to 9mm. Mags are fairly cheap, but must be tuned to the gun. The ammo used to be dirt cheap, and I still have a wood crate of Russian ammo that was pennies a round. it is however not as reliable these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted November 19, 2019 Report Share Posted November 19, 2019 And the rather rough C&R Shpagin that Midwest advertised for $25K is no longer listed on MG Central so apparently it sold at something near that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Alltech remanufactured and registered MGs prior to May '86. No guarantee that it is C+R if marked by Alltech without knowing date of registration. There are quite a few MGs in the registry that were unregistered after the '68 Amnesty and just papered with name of "originalj" manufacturer or equIvalent in the imp/mfg box by CIIs and passed off as original MGs. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Keep in mind that the Russian guns were not "museum quality" when they left the factory. I had a reblued C&R that looked "nice" but not real. The 1943 DEWAT is about par for Russian condition. real C&R ppsh's sell for a lot more than ""newer made" If you got one for $20k with all the stuff you did well. They are a hoot to shoot, trophy wife likes it, and fairly easy to convert to 9mm. Mags are fairly cheap, but must be tuned to the gun. The ammo used to be dirt cheap, and I still have a wood crate of Russian ammo that was pennies a round. it is however not as reliable these days. This is the gun I bought. It transferred as a C&R gun with Russia/Soviet Union/USSR as the manufacturer. I can't tell if it has been reblued. It's a blast to shoot. Now I'm on the hunt for a PPS-43. Edited November 21, 2019 by maxfaxdude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APEXgunparts Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) This one came back from Korea with a USAF vet.it is a 1943 dated Russian PPsH-41.He traded a Marine a bottle of whisky for it.He registered the gun during the 1968 amnesty. Richard Edited November 21, 2019 by APEXgunparts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekraps Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 I own a nice '44 C&R PPSH (matching) and can't believe the prices. Like you guys I got tons of replacement parts, barrels and mags (to include loaders). I shoot heavy primer 1950's ammo and never have a misfire. Thank goodness I have 10K + rounds stocked up. Spent a ton of time tuning stick and drum mags to the gun. All work great now. Lately I've searched for trigger groups, really tough to find without buying a whole parts kit. Was looking for a PPS43 also. Saw one on Autoweapons. It was reblued but the bolt was not matching so I passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfaxdude Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 I own a nice '44 C&R PPSH (matching) and can't believe the prices. Like you guys I got tons of replacement parts, barrels and mags (to include loaders). I shoot heavy primer 1950's ammo and never have a misfire. Thank goodness I have 10K + rounds stocked up. Spent a ton of time tuning stick and drum mags to the gun. All work great now. Lately I've searched for trigger groups, really tough to find without buying a whole parts kit. Was looking for a PPS43 also. Saw one on Autoweapons. It was reblued but the bolt was not matching so I passed.What did you do to tune the mags to the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo Posted January 17, 2022 Report Share Posted January 17, 2022 Typically you adjust the spring tension in the drums so it has the least amount of pressure on it yet still keep up with the bolt cyclic speed. I bought 20 drums for my gun and went through them and got 15 tuned, the other 5 were wither the springs were too far gone or in one case the spring snapped while trying to tune it. I then serial numbered the drums that work tot he gun with a paint marker like they had been done before. My gun is a reweld but it a very nice looking and running reweld.http://weaponblueprints.com/mongo/pictures/Ppsh41-front.jpghttp://weaponblueprints.com/mongo/pictures/Ppsh41-right.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeRanger Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Mongo,How many clicks of pre-load do you usually put into a drum? I've seen 3 rotations (12 clicks) recommended in a couple of places but that makes the 8th working click to load the drum really difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 Load the mags with 10 rnds and try. If it will not feed, add a few clicks and try again with 10 more. It is usually the near empty mags that fail to keep up with the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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