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Thompson ATF Approved 1971 Demill What Good is it?


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New to the forum. I have a 02/07 license. A buddy has a Thompson that was approved with a plugged barrel and barrel welded to the receiver. This was approved in 1971 as deactivated.I am trying to figure out what good it is. Can it be reactivated as a pre -86 sample? deactived Thompson p1.jpeg

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Only value I see is you have a display gun that has a working bolt.

Thank you in advance for your input

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I've never seen that exact paperwork, but sounds like it could be a registered transferable DEWAT, in which case it could be reactivated as a transferable, civilian ownable, Machinegun by filing a form 1 or 2. Others may know more. Hopefully it has not been changing hands without being transferred. If the ATF can't clear it up, or it gets complicated, send me a message and I'll give you the name of a lawyer that is good at straightening out the registration status of guns. It could be worth a lot more than a dealer sample.
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Was he an 02/07? Black River Militaria would likely have info on the F 4539 and what it means in this case. I saw him at the creek this weekend so he may not be up to speed yet. Bubba would be my first call...

 

Bob D

 

BTW, good on you for helping her out.

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The first document is the transfer for the deactivated gun. This document is signed by the transferor and stamped approved. It is not the usual form for transfer of a DEWAT and is not marked at the bottom right as an F5. This document is not the original registration of the gun, in any case, and since ATF apparently approved it, it is just a transfer. If it was the original registration, the submission date would have to be prior to the end of the '68 Amnesty and dated no later than Dec. 1, 1968, the last day for submission.

The middle document is merely a notification that it has been deactivated with the approval of ATF.

The last document is the transferee ID and fingerprint form, the 4539. Fingerprints were done on the backside. These forms were done in duplicate and accompanied the transfer form and one came back with the approved form. Later on the ID information was added to the F1, F4 and F5.

The gun can be transferred from the estate to a legal beneficiary and can transfer tax exempt. A non-beneficiary can file an F5 application for transfer to him from the estate.

The gun is identified as a DEWAT and can be legally reactivated by a new registrant. It must be transferred out of the estate on an F5 to the new registrant, which is tax exempt since the gun is a DEWAT.

The executor signs the transfer out from the estate and he must include a copy of his appointment as executor along with a death certificate. Info about the decedent is included on the transfer form.

Hope this helps.

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The executor of the estate can call ATF and ask for a specialist, specifically Mr. Cutter, who is very competent. Request the registration status of the serial number of the gun you have. ATF may request that the executor write a letter concerning the guns with copies of the documents shown above.
If the gun is in the registry, the NFRTR, and in the name of the decedent, then the executor can proceed with the appropriate paperwork to transfer the gun to a buyer or beneficiary.

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This is very similar to the paperwork for a Colt Thompson that was dewatted in 1970 in Chicago, and has since been sold and reactivated by another collector, and is transferable. From what I have seen on these two forms, if the letter contained all the appropriate information, it was approved by ATF, who added their stamp to the non-standard paperwork.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

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To update : the transfer of this dewat did go through. They did had it on file.

The atf wanted me to provide a separate letter confirming overall length as their records had no length at all.

And they need clarification on the Status of the trust Closed or open. I did have to get a letter from the trust attorney specifying that all possessions belonged now to the widow. Thanks for your input.

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Just an FYI, a form 2 is a "notification" of specific FFL07 activity and is not an application of an "approval" of that activity. One ATF signed copy of the F2 will be returned to you for your records of the reactivation of the registered DEWAT.

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Understood. I have had them ask for more specific information and request I resubmitted the form 2 as it applied to a dealer sample.

Being my 1st reactivation gun I am not sure whether it is C&R transferable. How is this determined? I have read through the post on this forum and a few on others.

But still not sure. This gun was transfered to my 07/02 business from the estate on a form 5.

When I go to sell it ,how do I know its C&R transferable?

Is the advantage of the C&R transferable gun the savings of one $200. fee or is their more to it?

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If Transferable it retains C&R status after reactivation. There is an ATF statement somewhere on this. There is some value for transfers, not having to file a form to cross state lines, and I believe at least one state only permits ownership of C&R NFA Guns.
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