Robert Henley Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 New Zealand sure was quick to give in to a terrorist: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/new-zealand-bans-military-assault-rifles-after-massacre/3230544002/ I wonder what will happen to the Thompsons and other full automatics there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoscoeTurner Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 Did you really expect it to go any other way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurencen Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 the timing was prime to bring this ban into effect, my guess this was already on the cards to ban these firearms, Im suro our feminist PM is taking note and working on the same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speeddemon02 Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 I have yet to hear or read about anything other than semi auto, so maybe they will be forgotten as those writing all this do not know about their existence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHollow Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 I read that hunters and farmers will be exempted from the ban. That should allow most to keep their guns. The Kiwis have always been able to own mil surplus black rifles so long as the sear is removed, just like in some European countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 New Zealand sure was quick to give in to a terrorist: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/new-zealand-bans-military-assault-rifles-after-massacre/3230544002/ I wonder what will happen to the Thompsons and other full automatics there?they will be destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimB Posted March 21, 2019 Report Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) Fellas Nothing New Zealand sure was quick to give in to a terrorist: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/new-zealand-bans-military-assault-rifles-after-massacre/3230544002/ I wonder what will happen to the Thompsons and other full automatics there? Nothing has been Banned What's been done is the New Zealand Police have reclassified certain Class A guns as E class meaning you now need a special E class license and have to register them upAs usual the press consistently lies about everythingThose who own full autos under a C class license and those that own MSSA, {assault rifles} under the E class license are not being stripped of them at this point Loads of semis are not effected.22 rim fire is exemptedGuns with fixed mags are exempted Could this change in Parliament ?Of course it might He is what the New Zealand Police are saying: https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms?nondesktop=&fbclid=IwAR07olNfVgFQCTGyCg4bTRbwiiG9QNjD_WybTJ9XwIb7cQKvO0xY0OLX75g they explain the changes further here: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0056/latest/LMS173711.html?search=ad_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg__arms____25_ac%40bc%40rc%40dc%40apub%40aloc%40apri%40apro%40aimp%40bgov%40bloc%40bpri%40bmem%40rpub%40rimp_ac%40bc%40rc%40ainf%40anif%40bcur%40rinf%40rnif%40raif_a_aw_se&p=1 Note very carefully Kiwis in possession have the options of turning them in, selling them, etc. The main point is that affected guns now must be registered under E class regulationswho would they be sold to then ?Well the properly licensed Dealer or the holder of a C or E class license Right now Gun guys online are going serious Chicken Little over all thisI do endeavor to refrain from being part of any echo chamberAs it stands I have a fair number of friends in the South Island, I have even imported from Tipple at Gun City in Christchurch where the nutter bought his guns off their websitelike Canada you can have many guns shipped right to your door People really don't understand how things work outside of AmericaIn New Zealand for example ALL firearms were registered up into the 1980s, semi auto handguns were flat prohibited.Think it was like 1984 ? when the laws were drastically reformedinterestingly prior to the reforms a STEN or Mp28 was viewed as a long gun. You could not own a Browning High Power but a full auto Lanchester was AOkay Canada was weird too up into the 1970s. MGs were regulated the same as any handgunAfter that the Canucks created a Prohibited class which included full auto and handguns with barrels under I believe 4"There are a significant numbers of registered MGs in NZ. The queer angle is that it is unlawful to actually shoot them except at certain events and then only with blanks. Believe that started with the 80s reforms.still plenty of folks running their guns unlawfully. Remember there is absolutely no regulation on suppressors in NZ. An interesting point is nutters guns were unmoderated Anyways formerly exempt AR knock offs with thumbhole stocks have now been regulated as MSSAs, same with semi magazine fed shotguns like Saigas and those were not even used at Christchurch.The MSSA nonsense came about in the 90s, seem to recall much of that was blamed on America's push to ban AWs after Clinton's electionKiwis did it in 92 creating E category license, the guns were still imported but just under registration to end user. America though banned new AWs but no registration Edited March 21, 2019 by JimB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Unfortunately buried a little deeper in the story is the fact that shorty they will be revisiting the rules as to who/how you qualify for an E license. In a particular country I know of in the EU, licenses were granted rather freely for a long time. One day they decided to stop issuing licenses to new applicants. Slowly the now aging licensees' are dying/ giving up their licenses and in a relatively short time 2-3 decades there will effectively be a ban since no one will have a license. It should be assumed a full ban on firearms in NZ is imminent. Same goes for parts of the US. The only comment I haven't heard publicly from the NZ PM is "never let a good crisis go to waste". My guess is if you checked her emails/ appointments you'd see some prominent socialists from the US offering up "anything that is needed to make this ban happen". I'm sure there will be some public appearances by US socialists and $250K speeches coming as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 what guns were used in the shooting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimB Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 what guns were used in the shooting? A pair of class A thumbhole stocked AR clones and two shotgunsboth shoty's were tube fed, one was clearly a pumper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Nonsense. She runs a coalition government In 2016 Conservatives swept the electionsBy definition, there is no such thing as conservatives in government. You cannot take money from the masses in the form of a government salary and proclaim you are fiscally or morally conservative. People are first and foremost loyal to the paycheck, otherwise they would be somewhere else. Government employees are loyal to the government of which they all wish to increase the size and scope of, ultimately for financial gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 what guns were used in the shooting? A pair of class A thumbhole stocked AR clones and two shotgunsboth shoty's were tube fed, one was clearly a pumperThanks Jim,Could not find that, and Canterbury PD was uncooperative because the case was before the High Court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted March 23, 2019 Report Share Posted March 23, 2019 you will find many guns not being turned in thats my prediction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimB Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns?? Well there are TWO distinct things in play The first is that the New Zealand Police have changed the status of certain gunsThe second though is what COULD occur next month when Parliament is seated again This is the potential ban babbled aboutHow far that indeed goes is anyone's guessSome are demanding a full scale Australia ban and buy upSome are even more wacko nuts than all that demanding Total Disarmament. I don't see either happeningJust a bridge way too farI am certain some changes are coming down the pike however C & E class licenses are already rather restrictive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petroleum 1 Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns?? Well there are TWO distinct things in play The first is that the New Zealand Police have changed the status of certain gunsThe second though is what COULD occur next month when Parliament is seated again This is the potential ban babbled aboutHow far that indeed goes is anyone's guessSome are demanding a full scale Australia ban and buy upSome are even more wacko nuts than all that demanding Total Disarmament. I don't see either happeningJust a bridge way too farI am certain some changes are coming down the pike however C & E class licenses are already rather restrictiveLets see what actually happens but the PM made herself very clear imo when she outlined the ban and buy back program also the cost associated with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimB Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns?? Well there are TWO distinct things in play The first is that the New Zealand Police have changed the status of certain gunsThe second though is what COULD occur next month when Parliament is seated again This is the potential ban babbled aboutHow far that indeed goes is anyone's guessSome are demanding a full scale Australia ban and buy upSome are even more wacko nuts than all that demanding Total Disarmament. I don't see either happeningJust a bridge way too farI am certain some changes are coming down the pike however C & E class licenses are already rather restrictiveLets see what actually happens but the PM made herself very clear imo when she outlined the ban and buy back program also the cost associated with it. Well so did Obama after Sandy Hook and he had a Congress he mostly controlled I have been chatting with some of my folks thereBasically even most Gun People agree some changes are due, mostly over work around butt hole guns that are admittedly mostly the same as E class restricted MSSAsTheir solution is to just do what's being done, slide those guns into E licensure.Nothing needs to be banned outright. Truth is that is where the mindset of many Kiwis is at as wellThe view is that a non citizen from Australia came here and took advantage of our system to make us more like the government he fledwhile NZ & Aus are very tight partners there has always been pissing matches between those colonials over policy matters I have been in some heated debates regarding this situationmostly with internet Gun folk who have no clue about poop outside Americawe have an incredible weapons culture hereheck contrast America with the UK and knivesthen if you go across the North Sea Men carry some serious nasty blades in rural areas...as a tooltry to tell Laps in northern Norway they can't carry a bladerural Finns, same dealUK ?national campaign to "Bin the Blade" right now all the pols are taking a turn behind the podium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted April 6, 2019 Report Share Posted April 6, 2019 What's the latest with the New Zealand gun laws from those that live there? The US media, and us US gun owners are horrible at knowing what is actually going on over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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