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#1 83Baron

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 09:14 PM

Hello everyone. I have been on the hunt for a prime example, c&r preferred, of a ppsh 41. Any leads, ideas where to look, and what the general current market price is would be appreciated. I'm thinking for a nice one between 17-22k. Thanks!
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:15 PM

 

 

autoweapons has one....my guess on price is $35k, but since he doesnt list price its only a guess


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:18 PM

Lol you know where my minds at! Do you have one in your inventory?
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:18 PM

The only information I can offer is price information from 2012.  in 2012, I bought a matching numbers C&R early PPSh-41 for right at $17,500.  It is 1941 dated and has the earlier leaf rear sight.  It came with one drum and several stick magazines.  Could have overpaid, but I was happy with the deal.  It is a very clean PPSh-41.


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 10:28 PM

You want to sell for a profit? I think you were right on if it's overall clean. That's what I'm looking for as well. Great find.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:29 PM

I don't have one for sale, but when I bought mine, they were found on sturmgewehr and then my second one on gunbroker.  $14,500 for an all matching and well used not so nice looking but 100% original one  with amnesty papers in 2013 , and $19,000 for a very nice one in 2015.  Hopefully those help you on pricing.

 

Good luck on the hunt!  They are very fun guns to shoot.


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#7 83Baron

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 12:03 AM

Thanks Mike. That sounds right, and if you come across one for grabs please let me know. Always enjoy the array of videos on these guns from the likes of the above, plus yours and hickok. Autoweapons.com has one that doesn't look bad, but also a 1945 model. Maybe not as collectible as an earlier year?

Thank you all, one will come around eventually,
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:19 AM

Andrew,

 

No, not wanting to sell, just giving a price point.  Good luck with the search.  Mine was off Gunbroker.

 

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:26 AM

I didn't think you would :) nice looking one, and appreciate the info. I think if I can find a nice one around 20k or less in 2017 I'm doing well. Thank you.
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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:40 PM

Thanks Mike. That sounds right, and if you come across one for grabs please let me know. Always enjoy the array of videos on these guns from the likes of the above, plus yours and hickok. Autoweapons.com has one that doesn't look bad, but also a 1945 model. Maybe not as collectible as an earlier year?

Thank you all, one will come around eventually,
Andrew

 

how much is auto weapons asking?


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:48 PM

32k. As much as I want one I am thinking, but price guide which most dealers say they price off of are saying 17-18k for a c&r ppsh 41.

I wonder if you or Mike know which years are the most preferred as far as collecting, earlier in the war I would think.
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Posted 13 January 2017 - 03:34 AM

Autoweapons is always a rip off.  I always urge people not to give that guy any business.  $32k is insane.  Just hold out and you'll find one in your price range.  It'll be years before $32k is the standard price.  As far as years go, I never really worry about that with my WWII and WWI guns since nowadays you're just lucky to find one of what you are looking for in nice shape.  I would assume the earlier the year the more collectible, but with a PPSh-41 I wouldn't care.  They all look like Orks made them.


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:02 PM

Like most of the wartime Russian small arms, the quality of production decreased as the war deepened. Producers cut back on quality of the steel, manufacturing time, but didn't much change the construction and design of the gun. If you are too picky about what is offerered on tthe market you won't get one.
There are quite a few original guns in the NFRTR as well as remanufactured examples, including Chinese and Korean. Prices note between $17 and 20k is fair currently.
Now that you have advertised that you are looking for one there'll be a run on them and prices will go up!
Good luck.
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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:42 PM

Appreciate the feedback from everyone. I was sort of thinking for the axis quality decreased, obviously, but compared to 41-43, by 44-45 materials were not in short supply with the Russians on the offensive so their ppsh's should have been made better than during the fall/winter of 42-43 with Stalingrad on the brink. Either way I agree around 30k is too much of a premium even for a pristine example. As I've said though I'm willing to pay a slight premium for a nice example as some have been lucky to find, but it doesn't happen overnight.
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Posted 13 January 2017 - 06:01 PM

$32k for autoweapons is about what i figured........id really like to know how many he sells a year?

 

so much $$ invested in those guns.....but when he sells he makes $15k+ each


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 06:25 PM

Dido. Guess that's why they can hold out. Huggy you got a ppsh 41 in your collection or looking for one?
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Posted 13 January 2017 - 07:53 PM

after seeing it i would be interested in one....but the caliber would hold me back personally...having to stockpile yet another caliber...no thanks

 

if the PPSH was a 9mm i would love it....very cool gun and one i would love to shoot some day.

 

my collection is not a WW2 collection....if it were i think the PPSH would be a must have.....

 

 

i know someone who has a STG 44 in his closet....been there since before i was born...saw it as a kid once in a while....the dad hid the bolt and may have lost it...some day i will most likely have an opportunity to purchase....might be a Dewat (guess)


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 08:12 PM

Not really, I have a 9mm conversion kit, but I don't think the drums will fit then?  Guess I never though about it till now?  Course the bad news on that is that it uses MP40 mags.  I won't be shocked if someone starts reproducing them with the sky high prices on those now.  I'm not sure why there is a such a demand for MP40 mags though?  Reenactors?  Dunno?

Maybe I ought to dig that out and find a way to make Suomi drums work? 


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 08:41 PM

Change the barrel and it'll run 9mm all day long. I have two friends (unindicted co-conspirators) with PPSH's. I took 16" UZI barrels, turned a coller to match the 7.62 barrel, brazed together, and cut to length. It took some fitting to overcome the factory sloppy fit, but both turned out very accurate. I called it match grade at 900 rounds a minute. Drum & stick mags work without modification.

The Germans had a drop in kit, 9mm barrel and a stamped sheet steel magazine adapter to use MP-40 mags. I tried to make the mag adapter, while it worked I wasn't happy with the results.
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Posted 13 January 2017 - 08:41 PM

Sorry for the duplicate post. #&+@-$/ cell phone!

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