M2 Varieties - Have I Missed Anything?

[dalbert]

I want to run a list by the board members here...There are many different M2 issues and types of NFA registered items. Here are the different iterations of M2 NFA variations/issues that contribute to the overall confusion on the subject:

 

· XD serial numbered Inland M2 receivers that were never assembled as MG's (Contraband, unless registered during 1968 Amnesty) (There are also some other "X" prefixed M2's)

 

· Originally marked M2's from Inland, and a potential few from Winchester (C&R)

 

· M1 Receivers that were over-stamped "M2" at the factory, such as Winchester M2's (Should be C&R, but "muddy")

 

· Various non-original M2 manufacturer M1's that have been overstamped "M2" as part of their non-original conversion (IBM, Rock-Ola, Saginaw, etc.) (Transferable, non-C&R)

 

· Original manufacturer M1's (Inland and Winchester) that were overstamped "M2" as part of their non-original conversion (Circa1986 conversions in prep for Hughes Amendment) (Transferable, non-C&R)

 

· 7-piece M2 parts sets, with serial numbers on various of the seven parts (Transferable, non-C&R) (Any one of the 7 parts has to be marked)

 

· Registered trigger packs (Transferable, non-C&R)

 

· Registered M2 slides (Transferable, non-C&R)

 

· Universal, Plainfield, and Iver Johnson manufactured, commercial M2 Carbines (Transferable, Some will soon be C&R)

 

· Other commercial manufacturer M1 Carbines that were converted, some of which were overstamped "M2," and some that were not (Transferable, non-C&R)

 

· Pre-May 1986 Dealer Samples (Not transferable, not C&R)

 

· Post-May 1986 Dealer Samples (Not transferable, not C&R)

 

Are there any commercial manufacturers of M2's that I've missed? Anything else I've missed?

 

Thanks!

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

[HB of CJ]

Trigger Pak specifically meaning a registered part not of the seven deadly sins? In my case a rare Flemming registered M2 trigger housing. Covers the inside 7 specific M2 parts. I believe you have everything correct. I may be wrong also. Some expert input here please? Respectfully.

 

All Oregon, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply.

[jim c 351]

David,

If I remember correctly some XE and XF stamped M2's also exist.

When the M2 was first adapted there was a shortage of the auto parts. So Inland ground the 1 from the M1 stamping die and stamped the receiver US CARBINE Cal 30 M.

If enough parts were available a 2 was hand stamped after the M.

If M2 parts were not available a 1 was hand stamped after the M. I have several of these hand stamped carbines.

I've never seen a photo of a Winchester machine stamped M2. Never seen a picture of a hand stamped M2 by Winchester either.

I've seen registered selectors advertised on GB also.

Jim C

[dalbert]

Registered selectors? I haven't heard of them. Hmm...

 

David

[Sandman1957]

David, under the "other commercial manufacturer M1 Carbines that were converted" list is "BULLSEYE". I have an amnesty registered NFA marked M1, that the original owner bought in the early 1960's. He said it had the full auto parts in a plastic bag taped to the barrel at the gun store where he bought the gun. He later amnesty registered the gun. I think BULLSEYE was the forerunner of universal. This particular one uses milspec parts except for the barrel. The barrel and reciever were new manufacture in the early 60s.

 

Steve

[n64atlas]

It has been mentioned on this board of Non Winchester/Inland M1's that were converted and registered over 50 years ago and are now C&R. M Also there are M2's like mine, that are in the

correct serial number range to be original and C&R but were not registered till that 1986 time frame.

[MG08]

I have a Winchester M2 ( M1 overstamp) that is C&R. It is registered as a Win gun. Parts are Correct according to the books..... Also a Presample M2 Inland (shooter) . Your list looks pretty complete, but I am sure the "woodwork" has a lot of registered parts sets that fall out of the norms.

[MG08]

As an add on - Here in MN, Minneapolis PD "made" a bunch ( about 20 I am told) of M2s from M1s. This was done as a part of riot control measures in the mid to late 60s, and these were then registered in the amnesty. These were subsequently sold off to officers, and transferred around here in MN . I have seen half a dozen or so. These have all transferred to individuals here in MN ( C&R only state ) as far as I know. We Will probably see more of them come out of the wood work in the next few years. None I have seen were marked "M2".

 

Another batch of "registered receivers" were made by Springfield Armory Inc. (Reese Bros.) prior to the 86 ban. These guns show up a lot - I have no idea how many they made, but these are NOT C&R. Have had issues with guys buying them and then they don't transfer to individuals here in MN. these were remarked "M2".

[jim c 351]

MG08,

Do you believe your M2 Winchester was stamped "2" at the Winchester factory rather than a class 2 manufacturer???

I have seen several Winchesters in the 7 million range stamped M1. I have a 6.9 Million stamped M1.

Jim C

[dalbert]

As an add on - Here in MN, Minneapolis PD "made" a bunch ( about 20 I am told) of M2s from M1s. This was done as a part of riot control measures in the mid to late 60s, and these were then registered in the amnesty. These were subsequently sold off to officers, and transferred around here in MN . I have seen half a dozen or so. These have all transferred to individuals here in MN ( C&R only state ) as far as I know. We Will probably see more of them come out of the wood work in the next few years. None I have seen were marked "M2".

 

 

MG08,

 

Were they WWII Carbines, or commercial, or both?

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgeweghr.com

[MG08]

MG08,

Do you believe your M2 Winchester was stamped "2" at the Winchester factory rather than a class 2 manufacturer???

I have seen several Winchesters in the 7 million range stamped M1. I have a 6.9 Million stamped M1.

Jim C

Hi Jim - yes, correct SN range for original "overstamp" Winchester. Registered as "Winchester" Mfg. on form 4. FOIAI shows Amnesty registration. I know the last two owners here in MN, and it has been here since the early 70s.

 

Dave - all the Carbines I have seen from Mpls PD were WWII production. Not to say they did not register a carbine that was commercially produced, but it would have had to have been made prior to 1968 when these were amnesty registered . I did not really have an opportunity or inclination to really inspect the carbines I did see, but I do remember all were M1s and USGI. LEA got ton of US surplus stuff in the 50s/ 60s for riot control.