Rimcrew Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 As I continue the leaning process, I would like to call upon the experts to help me understand what's going on with this gun. It looks to me like it may have been heavily pitted in the area where the flaming bomb is, and was sanded pretty well prior to being refinished. It looks like there is an inspector stamp to the left of the flaming bomb, but it has been all but obliterated. It also appears as though the RLB stamp was mostly sanded out, and someone tried to re-stamp the letters, and in the process made a mess. Do those observations seem correct, and shouldn't the finish be Dulite, not blued or is that just the camera playing tricks? Thanks for your insight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgvince Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 That pitting might be weld porosity. Thats where a lot of DMIL cuts are. Cant get a real good look with phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adg105200 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 First there was 2 types of DuLite finishes. I think it was type 2 and 3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). DuLite is bluing. The 1928s had more of the traditional blue look while the M1s were the flat black/blue which in the right light/photo or wear can sometimes be mistaken for parkerizing. Those pits could also be just rust pitting that was refinished over. There are plenty of other Thompson's out there that received multiple strikes/stamps when it came to the markings but it's hard to say either way for sure. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 I would also expect to see a GEG round stamp somewhere in the area. Most likely, in the area above the ordnance flaming bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimcrew Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Thanks everyone, the learning continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 I would also expect to see a GEG round stamp somewhere in the area. Most likely, in the area above the ordnance flaming bomb. There is what looks like a very faint GeG stamp at about 10:00 o'clock from the flaming bomb stamp. I see part of the circle and portion of the Ge portion of the stamp. Likely wouldn't be able to see it on a phone screen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirtyround Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Colt Ejector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 how many digits in the serial # the ejector is earlier than the gun unless its 19999 or less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1930sRust Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 FWIW, I se the GeG stamp, too, though very light. My Savage M1 was heavily grinded upon and polished on one side to the point nearly all the proof marks were obliterated. That the flaming bomb and RLB are so prominent and the former isn't is odd. Maybe the GeG guy was tired that day! Rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimcrew Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) how many digits in the serial # the ejector is earlier than the gun unless its 19999 or less The S/N is in the 164,000 range, IIRC. Shouldn't this also have a knurled actuator, not smooth? Edited February 22, 2019 by Rimcrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimcrew Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 That pitting might be weld porosity. Thats where a lot of DMIL cuts are. Cant get a real good look with phone The gun passed through NAC at one point, so I'm assuming it is not a reweld, valid assumption?? Also, the upper and lower S/N's match, so could this have been a used WWII gun? I thought NAC only assembled random pieces from the stock they had on hand, which would make matching numbers highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reconbob Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 It took me a while but I finally see the ghost GEG stamp. I don't know the causeof the double struck RLB. If this area around the ordnance bomb has been sandedor polished to remove putting the area would be slightly dished which we can't tellA from the photo. I don't remember if a gun with this serial number would be a Savage Commercialgun or if it's a M1928A1. A M1928A1 would have the distinctive Blanchard groundfinish and this gun has a much smoother fine finish, so polished and re-blued? And once again Dulite is a supplier of chemicals for black oxide treatment of steel. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Do you have other photos? It would be helpful to know if it is a 1928, 1928 A1 or 1928 AC. Those three are "models", and then you can get into the finish, original, arsenal rework, sanded, heavily sanded, reblued over pitting etc. Then you have the category of reweld or not. If so, how good is the weld. Yep, there is alot to each SN out there. Prices will vary depending on all those variables. As far as the ejector goes, Savage also made one piece ejectors. They are marked with an "S". The COLT ejectors are unmarked.Cheers,Sandman1957 Edited February 22, 2019 by Sandman1957 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 These receivers were roll marked. The process displaced metal. You should be able to feel the markings when rubbing a finger tip back and forth over them. If smoothness is all you feel, then the surface has been ground or buffed enough to remove metal. The evidence of original final surface milling should also be visible. Here, it isn't, more evidence of refinishing. Right, Dulite is just a trade name for a particular bluing process. Original Savage made M1928A1 receivers had a slightly frosty look to them. This one is either well worn, or refinished. Looks like a Colt ejector to me, too. Also, the smooth actuator and paddle style pivot and safety are normally found on Savage made guns with a serial number in the 330,000 range and higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) If the OP can post some photos of the inside, it probably would clarify if there are welds. Edited February 22, 2019 by mnshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman1957 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 I don't think he has the gun, only photos that he has from a seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) My thoughts on the double tap stamp: all who have hand-stamped steel will know that if you don't hold the stamp tight and swing hard you will likely get a hammer bounce, the die moves slightly then the hammer will tap it again.This looks consistent with that.That said, while the guns were roll-marked, I believe the inspectors stamps were all individually whacked into place, and many show in different areas all over the front of the port side if the receivers.This is consistent with that also.As for pitting, I've seen more than one string about pitting in that area and have seen evidence of that on many guns. I believe it's caused by the way the gases swirl out the port with the brass and have noted smoke alongside the port nose in that area myself while shooting. Maybe the GI's just didn't pay as much attention wiping down that port side while cleaning the guns......Looking at the edges and flats (Bob, you have a better eye for this as you make the receivers!) all sides look flat and edges crisp and properly rounded over. It looks good to me save for one thing: the nose port flat side looks like it has been flat draw filed with a mill file?Not sure I'd the Blanchard grinding marks should be visible or maybe it was draw filed in the refinish to scrape rust off before sandblasting? Edited February 24, 2019 by john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted February 23, 2019 Report Share Posted February 23, 2019 Do you have other photos? It would be helpful to know if it is a 1928, 1928 A1 or 1928 AC. Those three are "models", and then you can get into the finish, original, arsenal rework, sanded, heavily sanded, reblued over pitting etc. Then you have the category of reweld or not. If so, how good is the weld. Yep, there is alot to each SN out there. Prices will vary depending on all those variables. As far as the ejector goes, Savage also made one piece ejectors. They are marked with an "S". The COLT ejectors are unmarked.Cheers,Sandman1957Sandman1957, It appears to have been a 1928 Model retro-stamped with the US. The later stamped U.S. Model of 1928A1 MOdels had the period after the U and S. If it is a 164,000 serial range, that would fit also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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