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#1 allweaponsww2

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Posted 05 May 2020 - 06:09 PM

Hello everybody! Who has the information. I have a confusion about Beretta Mod. 1938/43. This is one and the same Beretta Mod. 1938/44 or different models?
 
MAB 38/42
MAB 38/43 ???
MAB 38/44
 
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#2 kanister

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Posted 06 May 2020 - 01:55 AM

They are the same models that were gradualy semplified.


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Posted 06 May 2020 - 06:52 PM

My 38/43 had the captured recoil spring of the 38/42, but not its fluted barrel.  The 38/44 has a conventional recoil spring like the STEN


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Posted 25 May 2020 - 06:09 PM

I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 with the gun had simplified markings and smooth barrel. My Beretta is registered as a 38/42 but has the smooth barrel old style 42 bolt with the small diameter captured spring and simplified markings.

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Posted 27 May 2020 - 07:33 PM

I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42 with the gun had simplified markings and smooth barrel. My Beretta is registered as a 38/42 but has the smooth barrel old style 42 bolt with the small diameter captured spring and simplified markings.

 

Nice looking gun Petroleum. I like those those double triggers!  Is it a good shooter?


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Posted 27 May 2020 - 07:39 PM

I dont think there was ever a 38/43 mfg designation. It was generally considered the 43 or second generation 38/42

 

That may be...however, I bought my 38/43 way back in the day before I knew the model existed.  I submitted the Form 4 and put "38/42" in box 4d because I thought "38/43" was an error...ATF kicked it back and made me change it to "38/43."  There's also more than a few military weapon references which also use "38/43"...so there's that.

 

Beautiful 38/42 BTW...


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Posted 28 May 2020 - 01:13 AM

There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 07:55 AM

Wow...learn something every day.  Have a link / reference?

 

 

There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.

The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.

The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 08:25 AM

Wow...learn something every day.  Have a link / reference?

 

 

No, not only one but many. But they are all in Italian.
 


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Posted 29 May 2020 - 02:20 PM

No, not only one but many. But they are all in Italian.

 

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Posted 07 September 2020 - 03:20 PM

There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.
The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.
The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.


How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.
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Posted 08 September 2020 - 01:27 AM

There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.
The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.
The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.


How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.


This is not a theory but what says Mr. Balzi on his book "I mitra italiani 1\915- 1991" that wrote in collaboration with the former director of the Gardone proof house and many Beretta's engineers.

 

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 06:38 AM

 

There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.
The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.
The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.


How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them “38/42” and “38/43”, it would seem they were using these designations officially.

Thanks for your reply! Tell me what to do then with paratroopers "Modello 1". This SMG is known to everyone as Beretta Modello 1, from 1942-43  ??

 

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Posted 12 September 2020 - 03:10 AM

Id love to find one of those stocks for my dads 38/44. They are great shooters and even more fun when you mount a red dot on them....
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Posted 13 September 2020 - 06:29 AM


There is some confusion in the designation of these guns: the 38/42, 38/43,... are only experts designations.
The Beretta's name was "Model 1" for all the short barreled versions till the "Model 2, 3, 4 " for the post war model with colapsable stock.
The Italian army's name was "Model 2" for the so called Mod. 38/42 and Mod. 38/43, then "Model 3" for the Mod. 38/44, "Model 4 and 5" for the Mod 38/49 with the new safe buttons.

How do you explain this theory when the guns were marked 38/42 and 38/43 from the factory? If Beretta marked them 38/42 and 38/43, it would seem they were using these designations officially.
Do you have an example of a 38/43 marking on a smg??
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