dalbert Posted August 28, 2010 Report Share Posted August 28, 2010 Please bear with me...This page became corrupted in October 2013, and I'm attempting to rebuild it in November 2014... David Albert These materials are protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws.Copyright 2010-2014 © David AlbertThis pinned post is intended to be a collector reference guide for ammunition associated with the Thompson Submachine Gun during its service life. Please feel free to provide your input, and any images used will have the person's name or screen name credited below the image(s). Any photos of items you would like to include may be sent to David Albert at dalbert@sturmgewehr.com.Whenever possible, I will include a photo of the cartridge headstamp, as seen in some instances below. I have included some estimated dates, and will attempt to confirm the dates as closely as possible through further research.History of Updates:8/28/10: 12 different types of Thompson ammunition posted8/29/10: Added variation of Western Lubaloy ammo8/30/10: Added Frankford Arsenal Tracer, 1935 Stembridge Movie Blanks and Peters Rustless-Riot Cartridges8/31/10: Added Peters Cartridge Company .45 Auto Shot Smokeless C.F. Cartridges (2 different varieties)9/2/10: Added ECS 43 Headstamp, Steel-Cased .45 ammo, and Remington Kleanbore Hi-Way Master ammo9/3/10: Added Stembridge Gun Rentals at Paramount Pictures Thompson Blanks9/4/10: Added CBC Brazilian Thompson Ammo, Peters Rustless .45 Colt Auto, Peters Cartridge Company .45 Auto Shot Smokeless C.F. Cartridges with "Shot" Label Added, Olin Corporation Ball M1911, and Early USSCO Ammo9/12/10: Added Peters Rustless .45 Automatic Government Model Ammo, made separate category for riot and shotshell rounds, added rattle round and 2 variations of Peters shotshell boxes10/1/10: Added Mid-1960's Peters .45 Ammo10/2/10: Added U.S. Military .45 ACP Small Game Hunting Ammunition section with 4 different ammo types, another photo of early Peters Shot Cartridges, and table of contents2/12/11: Added example of 1942 Evansville Ordnance ammo box, and Winchester Ammo Captured and Relabeled by the Japanese during WWII, and Winchester .45 Automatic Colt Late 1930's Staynless Ammunition2/19/11: Added German Manufactured/Swiss Stamped 1941 TSMG Ammo2/20/11: Added Winchester Staynless 1920's Ammo9/4/11: Added Winchester .45 Ammunition "For Use in Sub-Machine Guns," 19419/29/11: Added WWII Frankford Arsenal .45 ACP Ball Ammo10/2/11: Added Tracer version of “Dogbone” .45 ammo, and Ellis Hollywood Blanks3/20/12: Added Remington Arms Military .45 ACP Box, 19421/26/13: Added 1944 Remington Ball Ammo, 1948 and 1974 Brazilian CBC Ammo5/9/13: Added Australian .450 Thompson SMG Ammo10/5/13: Added Peters Rustless-Gildkote Ammo, and Early Remington-UMCThompson Ammunition Reference Post Table of Contents:1. Commercial .45 ACP Ball Ammunition2. Commercial Riot (Rattle) Rounds and Riot Shotshell Ammunition3. Hollywood Blank Ammunition4. Foreign Ammunition5. U.S. Military Ball Ammunition6. U.S. Military .45 ACP Small Game Hunting AmmunitionCommercial .45 ACP Ball AmmunitionEarly Remington-UMC .45 Automatic Colt Smokeless: Circa Late 1910's joseph12297 CollectionRemington-UMC .45 Automatic Colt Smokeless: Circa Late 1910'sDavid Albert CollectionUnited States Cartridge Company (Often abbreviated "USCCO"): Circa Late 1910'sJames M CollectionPeters Cartridge Company .45 Colt Auto C.F. Cartridges: Mid 1920'sAbove Images David Albert CollectionUnited States Cartridge Company (Often abbreviated "USCCO"): Late 1920'sThis is the type of cartridge that was unfortunately used in the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. The bullets are lead, and the batch used in the massacre had a unique feature, in that each lead bullet was marked by the manufacturer with an "S." Not all bullets in this package style had the "S" marking.David Albert CollectionWinchester .45 Automatic Colt Full Patch Staynless: Late 1920'sThis type of ammunition was commonly added as a sales incentive/discount for Colt Thompson Submachine Guns when sold by early Auto-Ordnance salesman E.E. Richardson, as documented in many sales invoices of the period.Tracie Hill CollectionPeters Rustless .45 Colt Auto: 1930'sThe back of the ammunition box indicates it can be used in Colt Automatics Pistols, Thompson Submachine Guns, and Model 1917 Pistols with moon clips.Above Images Mike Sig CollectionPeters Rustless -Gildkote.45 Colt Auto: 1930's This ammunition mentions use in the Thompson Submachine Gun. Above Images joseph12297 CollectionWinchester .45 Automatic Colt Auto (Staynless/Oilproof): Late 1930'sAbove Images David Albert CollectionDairt Co. Inc. .45 Automatic Central Fire Smokeless Cartridges: WWIIDairt ammunition was manufactured specifically for the Reising Submachine Gun, but was also likely used in the Thompson. This was commercially available ammunition mannufactured during WWII, controlled and rationed by the War Production Board. Most of it probably went to Police consumption. Many of the cartridges were subsequently reloaded by Dairt, and reloaded ammunition had labels applied over the original print on the long side of the box. Examples can be seen below.Above Images David Albert CollectionWinchester .45 Ammunition "For Use in Sub-Machine Guns," 1941This full box of ammmunition resides in Britain, and was probably a part of Lend-Lease from the United States. This full box is dated on the side in a black ink rubber stamp '1 NOV 41' and under that, 'LOT 76'.tranteruk CollectionRemington-UMC Kleanbore .45 Automatic ColtThis ammunition in its various forms is referred to by collectors as the "Dogbone" style packaging, based on the shape of the Kleanbore logo.David Albert CollectionRemington-UMC Kleanbore .45 Automatic Colt TracerDavid Albert CollectionWestern Cartridges "Lubaloy" .45 Automatic: Circa 1940'sThe back of the Western box mentions use in the Thompson:Above Images David Albert CollectionThis Western box is noted with "Full Metal Case," instead of "Metal Case" as can be seen on the previous box.David Albert CollectionPeters Rustless .45 Automatic Government Model: Circa Early 1950'sThis box was made by the Peters Cartridge Division of the Remington Arms Company, Inc., in Bridgeport, CT. It features the DuPont trademark, since Remington was a division of DuPont at that time.David Albert CollectionRemington Kleanbore .45 Automatic: Circa 1950'sThe ammunition box indicates on the back that it is suitable for both the Thompson and Reising Submachine Guns.Above Images David Albert CollectionRemington Kleanbore .45 Automatic Hi-Way Master: Circa 1950'sIntended for law enforcement use, these were 173-grain "metal-penetrating bullets."The back of the box is similar to the 230-grain Kleanbore ammunition shown above, which indicated its intended use in Thompson and Reising Submachine Guns. The 173-grain Hi-Way Master ammunition indicates it is intended for all submachine guns.Above Images Brian Marvin CollectionRemington .45 Automatic 230 Grain: Circa Late 1950'sDavid Albert CollectionPeters Center Fire Cartridges (45 Automatic 230 Grain Metal Case): Circa Mid-1960'sThis cartridge box dates from the mid 1960's, and is definitely post-1962, based on the "Warning - Keep Out of Reach Of Children" label.David Albert CollectionCommercial Riot (Rattle) Rounds and Riot Shotshell AmmunitionRemington-UMC .45 Automatic Riot Smokeless (Rattle Rounds): Circa Early 1920'sThe unique photo below is originally from the H.P. White Laboratories collection, and it documents a box of "Rattle Rounds" that had the over-labels steamed off, and pasted to the file card. This box was originally produced for a 200-grain metal cased bullet loading. The side of the box was over-labeled to indicate "Specially Adapted for .45 Automatic Colt and Thompson Sub-Machine Gun."Above Images John Moss CollectionPeters Cartridge Company .45 Auto Shot Smokeless C.F. Cartridges with Shot Label Added: Mid 1920'sThese shot cartridges were packaged in Peters .45 ACP boxes originally marked for the Colt Automatic Pistol. They had labels applied to cover the "Colt Automatic Pistol" section of the original label.Tracie Hill CollectionThe side of the box also has the Shot label applied:Above Images Mike Sig CollectionAnother example of the above box with "Adapted to the Thompson Sub-Machine Gun Only" label added:John Moss CollectionPeters Cartridge Company .45 Auto Shot Smokeless C.F. Cartridges: Mid 1920'sBrian Marvin CollectionAnother box of the ammunition above with 2 extra labels applied - One indicating the patent date, and another indicating an 18-shot maximum loading of the magazine:Brian Marvin CollectionAnother example with an ink stamp added, indicating, "RIOT (Trademark) Cartridge."John Moss CollectionPeters Rustless-Riot Cartridges: Mid 1920's (Without Address On Front)Above Images Mike Sig CollectionPeters Rustless-Riot Cartridges: Mid 1920'sAbove Images Brian Marvin CollectionPeters .45 Auto Shot Cartridges: Mid 1930'sThe back of the box indicates the shot cartridges are adapted specifically for the Thompson Submachine Gun, and intended for law enforcement use.Above Images Lyn Pedersen CollectionHollywood Blank AmmunitionStembridge Movie Gun Rental Thompson Blanks: 1935These are blanks made By Stembridge (Movie Gun Rental Company) from a Remington-UMC batch of .45 ammunition.Above Images Brian Marvin CollectionEllis Mercantile Co. .45 Caliber Machine Gun Blanks: Circa 1960’sThese blanks are made from cut down and crimped .30-06 shell casings, and are the type used during filming of the 1960’s television show “Combat!” The unfired shell was recovered from one of sites where the series was filmed.<!--url{0}-->Above Image Marty Black CollectionStembridge Gun Rentals at Paramount Pictures Thompson Blanks: 1980James M CollectionForeign AmmunitionGerman Sinoxid (RWS) .45 Thompson Ammunition (Swiss Stamped): 1941This is the most intriguing box of .45 ammunition I have ever encountered. Manufactured by RWS in Nurenburg, Germany, apparently in April, 1941, and sold to a Swiss sporting goods store that still exists today. It has a Swiss tax stamp on it, and is unopened.<!--url{1}--><!--url{2}--><!--url{3}--><!--url{4}-->Above Images Tracie Hill Collection Australian .450 Thompson SMG Ammunition: 1943/44These boxes are dated October 1943 and January 1944. The January 1944 box contains both 1943 and 1944 headstamps. <!--url{5}--><!--url{6}--><!--url{7}-->Above Images David Albert Collection Belgian Military Thompson SMG Ammunition: 1952The Belgian military adopted the Thompson Submachine Gun after WWII, and .45 ammunition was produced for the use of their armed forces.Above Images David Albert CollectionFrench Military Thompson SMG Ammunition: 1956-57The French military adopted the Thompson under emergency conditions in 1939, purchasing 3000 of the final remaining Colt Thompsons in Auto-Ordnance inventory. The Colts saw service in Vichy France, mostly as police guns, under Nazi occupation, and some were also taken to Britain from Dunkirk. Many also ended up in German hands. After the war, the French continued to use WWII era Thompsons they acquired from the U.S., and the weapon served at least until 1959. The cartridges shown below were made for the Thompson, and all observed examples are dated 1956-57.<!--url{8}-->Above Images David Albert CollectionCBC Brazilian Thompson SMG Ammunition: 1948<!--url{9}--><!--url{10}--><!--url{11}--><!--url{12}-->Quality control markings:<!--url{13}--><!--url{14}-->Above Images Gunner1 CollectionCBC Brazilian Thompson SMG Ammunition: 1966This unique box of .45 ammunition indicates it is intended for the Thompson Submachine Gun, and was loaded on 6/6/66 with a powder lot dating from 9/24/61.<!--url{15}--><!--url{16}-->Above Images Ron & Kelly Brock CollectionCBC Brazilian Thompson SMG Ammunition: 1974<!--url{17}--><!--url{18}-->Above Images Gunner1 CollectionU.S. Military Ball AmmunitionWhile I am not planning to include different lot codes, etc., I would like to document U.S. Military .45 ACP ammunition of different box types, and by different manufacturers in this section.Evansville Ordnance PlantRemington Arms Company, Inc., 1942This appears to be a transitional box, as it utilizes the old, 20-round box stencil.Above Images David Albert CollectionEvansville Ordnance Plant: 1942Jim Kindred CollectionECS 43 Headstamp, Steel-Cased: 1943Above Images Anonymous CollectionRemington 45 ACP Ball Ammo: 1944Above Images Gunner1 CollectionFrankford Arsenal .45 ACP Ball Ammo: WWIITimelapse CollectionFrankford Arsenal Tracer, M26: Unknown DateBrian Marvin CollectionOlin Mathieson Chemical Corporation, WCC 62 Headstamp: 1962Above Images David Albert CollectionOlin Corporation Ball M1911: Unknown DateJames M CollectionU.S. Military .45 ACP Small Game Hunting AmmunitionWhile this ammunition is not specifically intended for the Thompson, it was issued for small game hunting, and used in the M1911 pistol, and the Thompson. It was not intended for use against the enemy, and had very limited range.Cartridge Shot Caliber .45, T23, Remington Arms Company: 1942John Moss CollectionCartridge Shot Caliber .45 M12, Evansville Ordnance Plant (WWII)John Moss CollectionCartridges, Shot Cal. .45 M15, Remington Arms (WWII)John Moss CollectionCartridges Shot Cal. .45 M15, Remington Arms (Unknown Date)John Moss CollectionThese materials are protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws.Copyright 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 © David Albert 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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