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Hell, Let's get the dealers address, Nod-nod Wink, Wink, and tell em we know how much he paid and are willing to double his investesment! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Just a thought......Z

 

Lionhart, with all the work I've had done over thee past 30 years, I am a Dentist!

Nurse comes in, shoots the X-ray, it comes up on the screen, I look, do my diagnosis ( bad news)... few minutes later, in comes the Dr., I tell him what I think...dead on, All I need is that pesky licence!!!

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I bet these were going to that guy in AZ who we had all the discussions on a few months ago. He was selling parts kit and XX mags.What was his name? Seems that some board member went to his wharehouse and got to look through alot of this stuff and bought some XX mags. Anyone remember?
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I believe that I recall reading that importing US military gun parts had been made illegal if the guns had originally been part of the Lend Lease program; that is, they were ALWAYS U.S. Property, just on loan so to speak (would apply to most all European and Korean sourced guns). That continued US "ownership" was the basis for having control over the property (the guns). I know that Lend Lease was used with the English, but it is entirely possible that Russian (or ex-Russian) Tommy guns were NOT part of Lend Lease but were a straight gift. That doesn't address the fact that the parts are for a machine gun, though. I wonder if this ban on auto gun parts was part of the recently dead assault rifle and high cap magazine laws??
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Lancer,

I don't have an answer to that but I do have a couple questions that are related.

Did we ship many of the drums to russia for the lend lease deal or had we decided by that time that drums were not efficient?

Did the russians not have any interest in the drums? I've seen TONS of 20rd mags come in with these kits and not too long ago 20rdrs were fairly rare here in the states. Did they buy more 20's and less or no drums??? I have seen lots of canvas for the 20rd mags and no drum carriers so that would tend to point that way too.

 

My historical knowledge of the thompsons is not great as I had little interest in them til I built my first post sample M1A1. I've now done a couple of those as well as an M1 and a 28A1. They aren't big sellers as many SOT's don't want to go to the trouble to get a demo letter for a gun most PD's got rid of already. The history has become more interesting now that I have some famliarity with the guns. I even traded a transferable MG for a Pre 86 dealer sample M1A1. The guns are neat and they grow on you.

 

On the import-export biz my knowledge comes from the big guys like Landies, Cole, IMA and the rest of the MG crowd. They are a hush hush bunch of guys but I've learned that none of them want to risk big bucks to make small profits when jail time is a possibility. I occasionally hear about the rules for importing from countries we aren't supposed to import from too.....lots of politics and bureaucracy. Rules change while your stuff is sitting in the harbor waiting to unload.

I'll just stick with the mechanical stuff....

 

Frank

 

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Hey Greg!

 

You said no auction, but look at what these items are and where are located!!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...mMakeTrack=true

 

How much for the whole lot?? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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In the words of the immortal Sgt. Schultz " I know Nothing!"

 

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FWIW, I suspect that Omega's excellent M1/M1A1 kits came from England. Many frames seem to have been painted over in black, and most oiler wells have a hunk of folded felt in them so that an Enfield oiler will fit without rattling. Sure are nice kits! Hope they're legal, but I can;t imagine that they're not, knowing Ron at Omega. These kits are just beautiful, and I suggest that you get your hands on one!
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FWIW, I suspect that Omega's excellent M1/M1A1 kits came from England. Many frames seem to have been painted over in black, and most oiler wells have a hunk of folded felt in them so that an Enfield oiler will fit without rattling. Sure are nice kits! Hope they're legal, but I can;t imagine that they're not, knowing Ron at Omega. These kits are just beautiful, and I suggest that you get your hands on one!

 

TSMGguy, assuming the M1A1 Omega kits are legal (which may be a dangerous assumption?), purchasing one of these kits would get you a nearly complete M1A1 minus the receiver - if I understand everything correctly. How then would you complete such a gun? In other words, is there any legal way to purchase an M1A1 receiver? I'm new to this forum and have read through most of the posts and FAQ posting, but have not been able to find an answer to this. Thanks.

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Spoke with Don at Omega today. He described the crates in those photos perfectly. Said they had been held over in Huston and delivered on the 18th or the 19th. He also said that they were gone through but that was normal checking for receivers. Would these crates be released if they were considered contraband?

 

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It looks to me like the new bottom line is that smg kits can be legally imported, contrary to all that has been posted here, insisting that it cannot be done. The proof is in the pudding. What more can anybody say? T-man Greg even inspected the incoming crates personally.

 

 

This is Indeed great news!

Finally some sense being exersised http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif

Zamm

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QUOTE (PhilOhio @ Mar 29 2005, 08:49 PM)
It looks to me like the new bottom line is that smg kits can be legally imported, contrary to all that has been posted here, insisting that it cannot be done.  The proof is in the pudding.  What more can anybody say?  T-man Greg even inspected the incoming crates personally.

Anybody still care to insist it can't be done, or that a whole string of agencies are just making an unbroken chain of mistakes?

Phil, it would appear you are exactly right sir. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif You won't find me complaining. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Best, Walter

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hardrede, I just wondering why you are so dead set on getting these shipments stopped.. you seem to revel in the thought that you are right about the illegality of them.

 

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I SAID MONTHS AGO THAT THIS RUSSIAN STUFF WAS ILLEGAL!!!!! I AM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF NOW KNOWING THAT I WAS CORRECT.  AS WELL, IF YOU BOUGHT A KIT FROM ARIZONA, EXPECT A CALL FROM THE ALPHABET SOUP GUYS TO SEE YOUR PARTS!!!!   http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif  http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif  http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif 

 

By your own words you have diligently tried to get the importers in a legal wrangle with the US Govt.

 

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I have been saying for three years that this stuff is illegal. I have called Defense Trade Controls at the US State Department and they have been very unhelpful. Many people are at risk from shady importers that do not care that they are jeopardizing the liberty of their customers!!!!

 

And you are also misstating what T-Man said:

 

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As well, "T-Man" stated that this was a U.S. Munitions List violation

 

What he said was that he "thought" that they were illegal to import but wasn't sure..

 

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How did these get here? It was my understanding that Lend-Lease Thompson parts and mags were verboten to be reimported. Did things change?

 

So far as I can see you have gone "Above and Beyond" the scope of just making sure they are legal or illegal.... you seem to "want" people to get burned since they didn't listen to you, so you are pointing fingers and trying to raise red flags to the Govt. about it and basically "Quisling" on people........your world must be pretty small to want to do this...

 

I may be wrong as hell but this is the way you look to me and quite possibly to a lot of people.

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I wonder who is responsible for enforcing retransfer authorizations? Not the ATF evidently. Customs? Well they passed it through as well. What could the penalty be if not done properly.

 

hardrede,

 

I spoke with these folks a while back on your reccomendation. The gentleman I spoke with (can't remember his name) said that these things were caught by customs...not the ATF. Violators were then notified of the omission and fined/caused to pay fees. He never mentioned contraband, confiscation, or unwanted visits.

 

BTW...spoke with Christian (supposedly the boss at IMA) and he said that the kits were freshly imported. The kits IMA has have the same features as the ones at Omega and Don at Omega said they came from the same source in the UK.

 

Not claiming to know everything here just dishing it out as I get it.

 

Damon

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QUOTE (TommyGunner @ Mar 30 2005, 12:11 PM)
The gentleman I spoke with (can't remember his name) said that these things were caught by customs...not the ATF. Violators were then notified of the omission and fined/caused to pay fees. He never mentioned contraband, confiscation, or unwanted visits.

Damon, it sounds like the fines are being treated as simply one of the costs of doing business, and business is apparently doing very well right now. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter

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Its interesting how much space this issue gets - who really gives a rip?

 

Ron,

As being one of the select few who have been visited by our freinds

from the BATF, and not in a "come on in and have coffee" kind of way, I certainly do...

If I decide to buy a parts kit, or for that matter, a screw,

from IMA, Ohio ord., Omega, etc... I would like to know that what ever we purchase does not

come back to haunt us in the future because of a mis-interperted law or such.

Plus, it's kind of neat to see how the laws are written and actually represented/carried out. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif

Zamm

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QUOTE (Hawkeye_Joe @ Mar 30 2005, 11:18 AM)
hardrede, I just wondering why you are so dead set on getting these shipments stopped.. you seem to revel in the thought that you are right about the illegality of them.

I have to agree with Hawkeye_Joe's assessment of hardrede. He seems to take such glee in trying to create legal problems for anyone he perceives to have committed some sort of infraction.

He truly seems to revels in his self appointed roll of JR. G-man.

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I have placed a call to the Imports Branch in HQ and am waiting for someone to call me back. I will try to get your questions answered the best I can.
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