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Posted by Bob for Doug.

 

Doug is in Belize now and it looks like he has time to write some posts. The number he

has listed below is his standard Malibu California number but it will ring thru to Belize so

feel free to call.

 

Begin Dougs Post:

 

There are three types of grip mounts found on Thompson guns. They are
1) 1921, 2) 1928A1/M1 and 3) M1A1. The first two are dimensionally identical.
They are a single part, gang machined from a plate. I refer to these as
"1-piece" grip mounts. The only difference is that the 1921 has an upward
bend at the front face of the receiver in order to increase the amount of
interference with the barrel Forcing it downward to get it under the barrel
creares the extra rigidity needed by the vertical foregrip. With the
introduction of the WW2 Model 1928A1, the extra rigidity was no longer
needed since only horizontal forearms were fitted to the guns. Therefore,
the bend was eliminated.
The Model M1A1 gun saw the introduction of, what I call, the 3-piece grip
mount. It was meant to reduce the cost of manufacturing the grip mount by
making the body out of flat, rectangular bar stock. The "tab", which is
sandwiched between the barrel and receiver to prevent the mount from falling
out of its receiver slot, was made as a rivet with the head of the "rivet"
shaped like the original tab. The barrel support projection was also made
in the form of a rivet. These two "rivets" required the body to be drilled
in order to accept the "rivets". This worked OK for the projection because
the drilled hole was at the front end of the body where there is little stress.
The design diaster was that the hole for the tab rivet was right at the receiver
face which is the exact location of the highest stress area of the grip mount.
The result was that a downwad pull on the forearm sling swivel could cause the
grip mount to bend downward, taking the forearm with it and rendering the gun
unserviceable.
To remedy this situation, a barrel band was designed that enclosed the barrel
and forearm, locking them together. The band was issued to field repair
facilities for retrofit on guns that had the 3-piece grip mount before the
grip mount failed. Once the grip mount had been bent, the only way to repair
the gun was to remove the barrel in order to install another, hopefully
1-piece, grip mount.
Finding one of the bands that was not already on a gun was very difficult.
I have several original bands available for those who want an original band.
But, because they are so rare and because I have the original drawing of the
band, we made the tooling to manufacture the band. I still have available a
quantity of the bands we manufactured for those of you who want to save money
and not be able to tell the difference. There is no difference.
However, the purpopse of this post was not top sell bands. I thought some
of you would be interested in seeing the photo of the tooling required to
manufacture the bands. The photo shows the original drawing, a new-made band
and partially formed bands. It all goes into storage, at least for the time
being.
If you have any questions or comments, you can call me, Doug Richardson,
310-457-6400.

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But, because they are so rare and because I have the original drawing of the
band, we made the tooling to manufacture the band. I still have available a
quantity of the bands we manufactured for those of you who want to save money
and not be able to tell the difference. There is no difference.

 

 

It would be nice (and responsible to the Thompson collector community) if these were marked to indicate they are reproduction barrel bands.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

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But, because they are so rare and because I have the original drawing of the

band, we made the tooling to manufacture the band. I still have available a

quantity of the bands we manufactured for those of you who want to save money

and not be able to tell the difference. There is no difference.

 

It would be nice (and responsible to the Thompson collector community) if these were marked to indicate they are reproduction barrel bands.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

It would be nice to have them marked to identify them as reproduction.

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I am with dalbert and Bridgeport28A1 on marking reproduction items. Think of the havoc Gordon Herigstad did to the Thompson community by having spare part kit containers and long cleaning rods manufactured without any marking to indicate a modern day reproduction. I spoke to the manufacturer of the spare part kits and was told a mark could have easily been added to each kit during the manufacturing process at no additional cost. There is no doubt these two nicely made and durable reproduction items will cause problems for collectors and enthusiasts in the future. Something that could have easily been avoided!

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How many TSMGs were fitted with bands before the end of WWII? I have not seen many photos of them in use during WWII, Korea, or Vietnam.

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How many TSMGs were fitted with bands before the end of WWII? I have not seen many photos of them in use during WWII, Korea, or Vietnam.

 

Found this in a quick search.

http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12135

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Watch out for the bands from Numrich. I bought one a few years ago and I think it may be an aftermarket copy of the original GI bands.

 

The band is thinner and smaller than an original, and it sticks out like a sore thumb when installed. It looks and feels like something off a toy gun.(Came with rust blooms thrown in for free.)

 

In the photos, there's a known original GI band on the left, and the band from Numrich on the right.

 

http://www.fototime.com/AA295E267AEB50B/orig.jpg

 

http://www.fototime.com/39FF8669A0E0E6B/orig.jpg

 

http://www.fototime.com/208C514E2CE112D/orig.jpg

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APEX Gun Parts also has this barrel band listed, including the nut & screw.

 

https://www.apexgunparts.com/machine-guns/sub-machine-guns/thompson-45-acp/thompson-m1a1-foregrip-reinforcing-band-with-screw-g.html

 

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Richard

 

The reinforcing band pictured above by Apex Gun Parts does not have the small indentation usually observed on known USGI reinforcing bands. Any members have what they consider a legitimate USGI band without the small indentation protrusion on the side of the band?

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How many TSMGs were fitted with bands before the end of WWII? I have not seen many photos of them in use during WWII, Korea, or Vietnam.

A quick look through The Thompson Submachine Gun Book by Tom Laemlein has three photographs of M1/M1A1 Thompsons with the metal band visible. All are located in the ETO. There are also several photos of M1/M1A1 Thompsons with tape wrapped around the barrel in the vicinity of where the reinforcing band would be located.

 

Quite a few M1/M1A1 Thompsons with a protected L rear sights had a rear stock without the reinforcing crossbolt. A majority of the Thompsons with a protected L rear sight did have a rear stock with a crossbolt.

All 1928 Thompson had a rear stock without a crossbolt when the rear stock was visible in the photograph.

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