bob241 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Listed on GB, butt plate marked (property of Howard Turner) Not mine https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734921064 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 A very early 3 digit Colt! I took a quick look and noticed what may be a problem with the barrel. The index mark on the barrel collar is either missing or not aligning properly. If interested, proceed slowly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Looks like I see the index mark up high, around 1 o'clock as your aiming it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 There is a mark that looks like a very short witness mark on the top of the first fin aligned with the receiver….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hntrdarren Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 I agree with TD and Colt Chopper. Index mark looks approx. at 1 o’clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwiifirearms Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 It would be interesting to know if there is any sign of the serial number stamp on the breach end of the barrel/chamber. I believe they are sometimes visible without removing the barrel and would be expected on a three digit serial number Gun. Anyone know who Howard Turner is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Looks like there is an index mark on the first fin on the barrel. Maybe to distract from the one at 1 o'clock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 It would be interesting to know if there is any sign of the serial number stamp on the breach end of the barrel/chamber. I believe they are sometimes visible without removing the barrel and would be expected on a three digit serial number Gun. Anyone know who Howard Turner is? I really like your thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) I don't think that's a witness mark at 1:00, it looks like a reflection of something dark on the shiny metal, which will form a line since it's a cylinder shape. The 3:00 witness mark looks like it was struck with a chisel, you can see the metal is upset. If you look at the index line on the receiver, you can see the end of it is also slightly fubared. Someone set a chisel on the index mark and the barrel fin and gave the chisel a solid whack with a hammer, buggering the receiver a little and marking the fin. Should have just left it alone. Kitchen table gunsmithing. I would bet dollars to donuts that the barrel is a replacement, installed by Herbie Bonehead in 1977. Edited January 3, 2018 by buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67ray Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Anyone interested enough to ask the seller? But it is easier to opine Ray . . . .OK I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Please do ask, but I will continue to trust my eyeballs over whatever the seller claims. If that receiver index line is not buggered up with a chisel, I am a monkey's uncle. You can easily see that the chisel point was way wider than the original index line, and you can see where the end of the chisel rested because the line is offset and deeper. Edited January 3, 2018 by buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Agree with the buggered receiver line and replaced barrel views.The actuator knob has a rounded 28 look, and the finish is perfect, better than the rest of the gun. A top view would be helpful.I don't know who Howard Turner is either, but at least he confined his vandalism to the buttplate. Edited January 3, 2018 by mnshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Not to grind this point into dust, but here's a the picture with the fin chisel strike overlaid on the receiver chisel strike. It's a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Chopper Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Even with a replacement barrel, given the present market, and assuming all else is correct and matching, I would very surprised if this one doesn't sell on the first listing. Low three digit number, condition doesn't look terrible, and starting sell price of $35k Originally sold to the Columbus Georgia Police Department in May, 1921.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) maybe. it's got a replacement barrel and some light pitting how would that compare in value to the average WWII 28A1 ? in my mind, a franken-colt is about the same as an arsenal rebuilt 28A1. Edited January 4, 2018 by buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Think that buttstock is a colt? wood to metal fit looks sketchy for a colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 The butt stock looks good to me. I think the butt plate gives NO 569 some character! But I would want to see the anchor stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkhunter Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 It would be interesting to know if there is any sign of the serial number stamp on the breach end of the barrel/chamber. I believe they are sometimes visible without removing the barrel and would be expected on a three digit serial number Gun. Anyone know who Howard Turner is? There is a bunch of Howard Turner's pick the most exciting one and run with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I love these guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I think Colt Chopper has got the right idea, as usual.One might get the idea from reading all the comments that a Colt with a replaced barrel is worth less than a West Hurley.In my opinion a Colt with all West Hurley parts is still a historically significant subgun.On the other hand a West Hurley with all Colt parts is still just a West Hurley.Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) I don't see where you get the west hurley stuff from. It seems to me that this gun occupies the twilight zone between collector item and shooter. A Colt missing the original barrel and possibly some other expensive parts and with some condition issues is pretty far down the totem pole of Colts. Colts tend to get purchased by hardcore gun collector types, the kind of guys who put a very high premium on condition and originality. I don't envision one of those type guys getting too excited about this gun. but we shall see Edited January 4, 2018 by buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawk64 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 If.... The barrel is colt and correctly installed... My opinion is it wouldn't dramatically lower the value. Yes it would if a military barrel or West Hurley was installed. A correct colt barrel replacement is better in my eyes than a bulged barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawk64 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Im sure bolts. Wood etc have been replaced on several guns out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) if all the guts are there and correct i think its worth $35k even with a WW2 barrel....its a shooter grade colt.....the lowest ive ever seen a colt was $32k and it was missing 1/2 the parts....for $35k your getting a lot of gun and hopefully it has everything else correct if i were in the market right now id consider bidding on this....i looked into several $35k colts when i was in the market...none perfect but then again its -$10k Edited January 4, 2018 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Mohawk, you gotta remember the barrel IS serial numbered to the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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