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Back on the orginal subject here.....

 

I had a look at the Philly Ord M1A1 yesterday and it does not say thompson on the receiver either. It is marked ( from my lousy memory anyway)...

 

Submachine Gun

Caliber .45 M1A1

 

With the other side saying:

 

Philidelphia Ordnance

Oreland, PA

 

I'll take some pics and post them if I can get Mike to help me out.

 

It would indeed be a good thing to find that all the tommies of all stripes are going to be considered C&R. It would be a step toward the recognition that all registered MG's should be C&R.

Frank

 

 

 

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According to ATF, they wouldn't care if the Philly Ord receiver had "Thompson stamped on the receiver. or was listed on the Form 3/4 as a "Thompson," since all they pay attention to are the serial numbers. But if they are now using the "Model 1928" as a guide to confirm C&R status, since the M1/M1A1 is already Kosher, then I imagine they would refer to the registry to find that receiver's serial number and go from there.

 

Has anyone that owns one of these receivers contacted ATF to get the ball rolling on why these "Thompson's" would not qualify for the new ATF C&R edict since they meet the same standard of the third 27 CFR 178.11 category that ATF uses for the WH inclusion?

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Well Art,

If I can find the citation in writing so I can reference that I will contact ATF myself. Does anyone have the actual written statement that says all the thompsons have been added to the list??? The note from the TCA is great but I need the real mc coy from the horses mouth.

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Frank

 

 

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QUOTE (John Jr @ Jan 29 2006, 12:48 PM)
Every single transferable MG should be on the C&R list, they are all rare. 




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I went to the TCA website, and printed a copy of the letter from FTB. It's a two page letter and it plainly states that ALL Thompsons ARE C&R.

 

It looks like TCA wanted all West Hurley's listed as C&R, and FTB took it a step further and made every Thompson C&R.

 

I was going to send a letter to ATF with my specific SN, since it's a M1 reweld. But after reading (and printing it out, putting it in my gun bag) it, I'm not sending a letter.

 

I now have a re-weld Savage C&R! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/woot.gif

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V188: Yes the letter does say "All Fully Transferable Thompson sub-machine guns registered on or before May 19, 1986"....BUT! Miss. Troy's letter of consideration for C&R status specifically specifies ONLY "Model 1928 Thompson submacineguns, (all calibers, including .45 and .22) MANUFACTURED IN THE 1970'S AND 1980'S BY THE AUTO ORDNANCE CORPORATION, WEST HURLEY, NEW YORK"

 

I belive that Sterling Nixon, Chief of the Firearms Technology Branch has interpreted that ONLY the '28 Thompsons produced by West Hurley in the 70's and 80's now stand as equally with respect as C&R's, as do the Colt, Savage, Bridgeport, and West Hurley M1' Thompsons.

 

I have interpreted this letter to mean that any other pre '86 receivers that were used on "Thompson parts kits"to make a working smgun....guns NOT made by West Hurley Auto Ordnance... are NOT included in this act.

 

I would advise anyone who has a mfg. receiver (not WH), on a Thompson parts kit to write a letter for further clarification, or confirmation on this matter.

 

Mike Hammer

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Anybody got a link to the TCA showing a copy of the letter describing C&R status of all West Hurley 1928's? Thanks.
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They recommend you save it and then enlarge it. My browser just lets me select the enlarge icon and its fully readiable.

 

Here Arty maybe you won't need your glasses.

 

Think if I offered these on eBay I could get dalbert to buy them? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif

 

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/wje2204/WH-CandR_Approval-Page-1.jpg

 

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/wje2204/WH-CandR_Approval-Page-2.jpg

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That's much better. But that typeface could only be appreciated by tax accountants. Looks like Ms. Troy wanted to queer the deal for all .45 smg's registered before 1986 by specifically asking for WH exclusivity, but ATF, knowing that they do not pay attention to manufacturer, defined C&R eligibility to ALL "Thompson'" made prior to 86. Is she Trast's daughter or something?

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Arthur,

Ms. Troy, President of the TCA, has done more with one letter for the Thompson enthusiasts and collectors in this country than you have done your entire life. Let me stop! To be fair, I must give equal time. Arthur, go ahead a list a few things you have done to help Thompson enthusiasts and collectors. The floor is yours...I am sure your accomplishments will be as noteworthy http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif

 

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After looking at the letter in reality I think I gotta go with Arthur on this. It looks like All transferable thompsons. I won't make any accusations about the TCA folks as I have no axe to grind with them or west hurley. Thompsons are Thompsons.......

Well thats it for now.

thanks for posting the letter guys

Frank

 

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TD,

 

I'm sure Carol Troy's contributions to the Thompson community are legion. I'm sorry I missed the statue unveiling. But I do wonder why Ms. Troy's letter to ATF explicitly mentioned the WH version of the TSMG when her parochial interests were superfluous to ATF. Perhaps the recent TCA split had something to do with this sort of thinking.

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http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/woot.gif Does that make my SFAB gun a C&R? Cool beans..... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/hail.gif
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Jeez Arty. I often think you get a raw deal but to say Carol tried to "queer" the deal is just stupid. The pont was to get the replica Thompsons manufactured in West Hurley post WW2 classsified as C&R. That the ATF was more general in their finding was a plus.

 

I bet you think there were two shooters in Dallas.

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Again, I take the plain unambiguous language on that letter to mean "all" Thompsons are C&R. That includes my reweld Savage.

 

I agree TCA asked for WH inclusion, but ATF gave us a late Christmas gift, and I for one, am happy.

 

If someone disagrees that this letter doesn't make ALL Thompson's C&R, please respond, citing the letter to bolster the argument.

 

Understanding that Form 4's (at least any I've seen) don't ever say Thompson, they just say M1 or 1928, or just MG. Therefore, if you "look" at my gun, it's obviously a Savage Thompson.

 

I'll let you guys refute it.

 

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Actually there were 3

 

Oh well, yeah, if your going to count Oswald. But that's for another thread.

 

The point is TCA scored one for the Westie replica whores. (like me!)

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v188 & Mike Hammer,

 

The ATF response letter is unambiguous in allowing all TSMG's under the C&R umbrella.

 

Roland,

Not having access to Carol's original letter to ATF, I can only judge her intentions from reading ATF's reply. Those who move in the TCA circles might know the reasons why she narrowed the scope of the request to WH's. Was "queered the deal" an unduly harsh phrase? Seems pretty innocuous in todays slang lexicon.

 

Other than your protests on that score, your post is deadly accurate with the assistance of Mike Hensley.

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My take on the letter is that all TSMG's are now on the C&R list. A new update should be posted on ATF's web site soon. I see that the WH 1928s in .22 caliber made it on there.
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Arthur, on the contrary, I belive Mr. Nixon's letter of Jan. 12th is ambiguous as hell. If we are to believe all fully transferable "Thompson Sub-Machine Guns" (as it is worded in the letter) are now C&R's, then we must define what actual assembly of a complete gun is considered a "THOMPSON". Is a Thompson any working machine gun with one or more original "Thompson" parts on it, must a Thompson say the word THOMPSON on the receiver, is a Pearl or some other mfg. receiver attached to some Thompson parts kit considered a "Thompson". On the paperwork must the word "Thompson" be listed somewhere there, or is it OK if it just LOOKS like Thompson? No if properly done, his letter should have gone into greater detail and fully stated that "this includes rewelds, newly mfg. receivers,receivers manufactured other than Auto-Ordinance ect... Has anyone tried giving Mr. Nixon a call to get his implied meaning on this letter or the updated C&R list? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif

 

Mike Hammer

 

 

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QUOTE (Roland @ Headless Thompson Gunner,Feb 2 2006, 09:05 AM)
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Actually there were 3

 

Oh well, yeah, if your going to count Oswald. But that's for another thread.

 

The point is TCA scored one for the Westie replica whores.

Roland I represent that!!!!!!!! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif

Bill OUT

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