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#1 M40scoutsniper

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Posted 02 November 2020 - 10:44 PM

So I have a bad habit... Once I start collecting I cant help myself! Reenacting and collecting militaria has been an addiction since I was really little. My padre had me and my brother when we were just kids in hand made 17th Century clothes at St. Marys, MD reenacting as soon as we could walk. Doesnt help I grew up watching Sands of Iwo Jima and Battleground. Any who, it turned into expanding on padres collection and now we have every US conflict covered and Im filling the gaps. Recently, I was in an extremely fortunate position to purchase a Colt M1918 SLR from the late Sandys wife Karen earlier this year. Who is an absolute joy to converse/deal with. This has lead to hunting down all the related equipment that a soldier or Marine would have had during WWI, inter war period, and WWII. Just the other day I hit a mile stone of finding all original round flap magazine belts and bandoliers. Since some of these were virtually unknown to me before researching a BAR team during WWI I thought Id share them here for reference if anyone wanted to see them. Whats unique is these were all manufactured by LONG in 1918 only a couple months apart. Each once is vastly different in color.

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Posted 03 November 2020 - 11:13 AM

Nice collection . There is one that you are " missing "  :happy: .

When I had BARs I put a grouping like yours together , thought I had them all . Then I saw a film of battle scenes . In it a camera man was on a dike with water filled fields on both sides . A row of soldiers was approaching him . He stepped off the dike to let them pass , filming them go by . Last man was the BAR man . He wore a pocked web bandoleer , six pockets across the chest up front and six across the back ( camera man continued to follow them down the dike ) . Never saw one before and I had to have one . Everyone said I was crazy , such a thing never existed . I never found one .

Years later , after the BAR was long gone , I found one . It was a D-Day paratrooper's smoke grenade bandoleer . I would guess that each pocket would hold one BAR magazine , but he could of had grenades in them .

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Posted 03 November 2020 - 12:06 PM

Dangit haha. Time to start hunting! Wouldnt happen to have been a bandolier like this would it???

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Posted 03 November 2020 - 01:20 PM

Very nice, I started a similar collection some years back but with WWII contractors and dates.  There may be some odd ones out there but it has been several years since I have run across an example that I did not already have.  I believe there is a sticky with my list of WWII contractors.


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Posted 03 November 2020 - 03:07 PM

M40,

You still need the right/left 6 mag pouch, but you are off to a really good start.

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Posted 03 November 2020 - 03:13 PM

Very close to that , but more like a pair of regular WW2 belts made as one piece with the shoulder pad and prob'ly a buckle of some sort .

Chris

 

BTW , nice M1936 chemical grenade bandoleer !


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Posted 03 November 2020 - 03:13 PM

Here is some BAR pouches. Jim C http://www.machinegu...hes#entry204422


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Posted 03 November 2020 - 03:16 PM

http://www.machinegu...hes#entry204422 Here is a pic of the 6 mag pouches. Jim c


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Posted 03 November 2020 - 05:58 PM

Ive been looking for a WWI round flap belt thats had the butt cup and 45 pouch converted! Thank you for linking the other post. Lots of good information and pics.
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Posted 04 November 2020 - 04:55 PM

So Ive been pouring through combat footage from the Normandy breakout and I havent had any luck so far for finding this elusive bandolier that has really peaked my interest! I wonder.... Ive seen a few examples of bandoliers that were made from WW1 US grenade vests which were cut horizontally between the 2 rows of pouches and then sewn together end to end. Unfortunately Im a few states away from the majority of my collection and can't test fit a BAR mag into one of the vest pouches right meow. Hmmm... the hunt continues! -The following photo(s) is/are not mine. I just pulled it from the ole Google.- and 2 others because who knew BARs could fly!... fall... Eh, either way Id hate to ride one in and PLF on a DZ with it haha.

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Posted 04 November 2020 - 05:38 PM

I had never seen one till that one film on TV. No one knew what I was talking about among all the collectors I knew . Several years ago someone put one on eBay and ID'd it . It went for several hundred dollars . Then over the next six months or so , a dozen or so came out of the closets , then you never saw them again . 

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Posted 09 November 2020 - 11:42 AM

You've missed one. The Monitor BAR pouch. I've only seen one since I've been looking for one.

I think Big Al owns it.

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Posted 10 November 2020 - 08:57 PM

What's the monitor pouch look like?
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Posted 10 November 2020 - 10:26 PM

You know, you fellas are a bad influence! Haha! Here I was just thinkin its ok lil wallet. The onslaught is over for now. Then BAM! To be honest if I find a Monitor belt I will pick it up and pass it along as I wouldnt appreciate it as much as some of the collectors here who really study and love the Monitor. Now... a 6 pocket round flap modified WW1 belt with the large buckles!? Different story. Speaking of which does anyone have a photo of a 6 pocket round flap magazine belt that still utilizes the large buckle?
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Posted 11 November 2020 - 04:27 AM

You know, you fellas are a bad influence! Haha! Here I was just thinkin its ok lil wallet. The onslaught is over for now. Then BAM! To be honest if I find a Monitor belt I will pick it up and pass it along as I wouldnt appreciate it as much as some of the collectors here who really study and love the Monitor. Now... a 6 pocket round flap modified WW1 belt with the large buckles!? Different story. Speaking of which does anyone have a photo of a 6 pocket round flap magazine belt that still utilizes the large buckle?


A Monitor belt really would not fit into a collection of military issue items.


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Posted 11 November 2020 - 07:29 AM

Dan,

Maybe Big AL will post some photos. Yes. I tried to purchace it from him, he was very proud of it.

I didnt want to do what I did with the color fold out Monitor flyer, paid stupid money for it.

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Posted 11 November 2020 - 12:31 PM

I am looking for a nice 1st assistant gunner belt


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Posted 11 November 2020 - 03:00 PM

Annihilator. There is one on ebay right now. Its a pointed flap model. Buy it now of $285. You might be able to talk the fella down some. I got a round flap cartridge belt off of him awhile ago.
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Posted 11 November 2020 - 03:37 PM

Thanks i saw it. One of the pouches shows some damage, it is torn. Not for me
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Posted 21 November 2020 - 06:25 PM

Just returned from local gun show and brought home a interesting BAR belt.

It has 6 pockets like a typical WW2 belt and is marked as follows.

Left pouch set,-----1613

Plant Bros & Co

Browning- Colt

2nd Asst

Left

9-1918

 

Right pouch set not marked. no U.S. on front flat.

 

Connecting belt marked,------LCC& Co  12-18

 

In other words it looks like a typical WW2 set except no US stamped on front right flap.

On closer inspection, it appears that the 45 mag pouch was removed and replaced with a BAR pouch.

Very  professionally

done and not in the Ballou book.

Jim C


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