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[Frank Iannamico]

No one has done it so I will...

On May 19, 1986 the making or registering of new machine guns was BANNED! Forever fixing the number of transferable guns available, since that time prices have continued to rise.
The BIG jump in prices began with the internet, as more and more people became aware of legal machine gun ownership in most states, and demand increased as the supply remained fixed.
Prior to the internet the class 3 community was a lot smaller than it is today, and it seemed most wanted to keep it that way. In 1965 there were a reported THREE class III dealers in the U.S. One of them was the (in)famous Curtis Earl, he is the one (I think) that has reported that number.

The only positive event in recent times has been the elimination of the LE signature, which had been impossible for many to obtain, simply because of the anti-gun opinion of the LE officer in their jurisdiction.

 

Good Old Days SAR article of $500.00 M16s and $73.00 S&W Model 76 subguns!

https://www.smallarm...idarticles=3854

 

 

Interesting Curtis Earl SAR article

https://www.smallarm...?idarticles=484

[colt21a]

And i followed 7 years later in 1972. I think Perry might have been another in 1965 or he was getting busted on a class three charge.Still have my FFLcopy someplace from those days. and the four digit numbers they assigned.

 

1986 was a dark day.the majority of those today dealing started around that time.

I know very few who are still left from 1972 still kicking and dealing, and the few are already close to 80.  as i was the youngster in that group.

 

Yeah History you can't change all that it already happened. We have a few members here from those day of High Adventure.RON K. 

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[Bridgeport28A1]

Mr. Kovar would mind sharing the background on the photo you posted?

[colt21a]

The days of High Adventure from the Nick Nolte movie  Farewell To The King .one of another favorite i enjoyed  among the hundreds i had in my personal stash, and the pic is from Who'll Stop the Rain 1978 another Nam based story which i enjoyed. 

 

In the farewell movie it has Good Thompson and B.A.R. and Bren gun action along with 45 auto's and some good Shotgun action scenes  well done for its time from John Milius.

 

it was the two times Nolte seemed to have fun using guns. And also great music.

 

The photo you have with that G.I. souv. hunter I have one like it but two Germans someplace picking up Garands and Thompsons  small world...and we enjoy it all. Check out both movies. however i am sure you have already seen them like most members here.

 

even after 6 years in the Corps 1968/74 i never looked that bad.RON K.  

 

P.S. this is from  the film.Persons in Hiding. Tracie in the pic is the one hiding, a great shot of some nice 21's.

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[Robert Henley]

And signed by Ronald Reagan.  I think RT has posted in the past about the NRA's (Wayne L.) involvement in this betrayal of the NFA community.  I haven't forgotten.

[Colt Chopper]

Good post Frank,
Thank You

Edited by Colt Chopper, 21 May 2020 - 05:05 PM.

[jpw43]

I was hoping we could get it reversed under President Trump.

Maybe in his 2nd term?

It was a solution for a non-existent problem.

[Got Uzi]

Old Wayne L sure clams up when hes reminded of this too. I told the NRA to stop calling and emailing me begging for money. If they are in such bad shape then tell Wayne to take a pay cut...$980,000 seems like more than enough!

Idk who begs for money worse-the NRA or the Catholic Church.....and yes I belong to both so I can make that comparison

[Vettom]

Most of us on the 2A front lines are acutely aware of what the NRA has done and continues to do to hamper the 2A community.

[Grasshopper]

Hi All,

 

A moment of silence for the loss of a right or freedom we once had.

 

Grasshopper

[Black River Militaria CII]

All as you say but the glimmer of a bright side of the GCA '68, the second attempt at choking off legal possession of "NFA", was that the idiots who wrote that law failed to understand federal law on making and registering MGs. If they had understood the fed laws, the content of the Hughes amendment of May 19, 1986 would have been enacted in the GCA. Instead there were 18 years of manufacture and registration of all sorts of good stuff that would never have happened.

Consider that it took 18 years and a duplicitous, cheating, conniving congress to "correct" their mistake so how long do you think it would take to accomplish a reversal of Hughes? 
Life is lived on borrowed time.

[jojeep]

I think that it was Senator Lautenberg who threw that in last minute into a Bill that Reagan Signed???
A President needs the Line Item Veto for Unconstitutional crap like this.
Recently the Chinese Virus Stimulus contains stuff unrelated to the Virus.
Will Firearms Legislation be in the 1,800 page Stimulus Bill that Nazi Pelosi is pushing right now ???

Edited by jojeep, 20 May 2020 - 02:15 PM.

[dalbert]

I wish that the MG changes had not occurred on 5/19/86.  I was just about to turn 20 at the time, and ended up buying my first machine guns in early 1988.  While it set the limit on MG's, it also did some good things.  It removed the ammunition sales logging requirement that had existed previously, and enabled shipping ammo through the USPS.  The ammo logging requirement was a real pain for both the dealer, and the buyer.  The law also created at least a defense to prosecution of interstate transportation of firearms through crappy gun law states.  It effectively reined in ATF inspection abuse, and is the basis for preventing a national registry of non-NFA firearms.  I also seem to recall that it had a positive effect on surplus firearm imports, but that could have been a regulatory decision around the same time.

 

Anyway, I have this ironic NRA button from my Dad's collection that I thought might be of interest to the conversation...

 

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David Albert

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[mnshooter]

David, 

Ironic is a severe understatement in describing that button.

Thanks for posting. 

 

 

Most of the current owners don't realize that for 18 years, 1968-86, 

in addition to all purchases of ammo: primers, powder, bullets, even empty brass cases -all purchases had to be registered.

Name, address, driver's license.

Ship any of these things to your door?  Forget it.  

 

When I tell this to younger shooters in my classes, many don't believe me.  

Most of them weren't even buyers during the 94-04 "It's a Crime" bill.

Those who forget history...

Edited by mnshooter, 20 May 2020 - 10:18 PM.

[maxfaxdude]

Democrat William Hughes from N.J. snuck in what is now infamously known as the Hughes Amendment into the FOPA 

I think that it was Senator Lautenberg who threw that in last minute into a Bill that Reagan Signed???
A President needs the Line Item Veto for Unconstitutional crap like this.
Recently the Chinese Virus Stimulus contains stuff unrelated to the Virus.
Will Firearms Legislation be in the 1,800 page Stimulus Bill that Nazi Pelosi is pushing right now ???

Edited by maxfaxdude, 21 May 2020 - 02:49 PM.

[maxfaxdude]

In the current political climate?  No way Jose.   Political suicide.  Not going to happen.  

I was hoping we could get it reversed under President Trump.

Maybe in his 2nd term?

It was a solution for a non-existent problem.

[Robert Henley]

I was hoping we could get it reversed under President Trump.

Maybe in his 2nd term?

It was a solution for a non-existent problem.

 

I learned along time ago to watch what people do instead of what they say:

 

1. Bump stock Executive Order (I'm not a fan of bump stocks but the longstanding position of BATF was it did not constitute a machinegun under the 1934 NFA, and it's simply nothing more than an inanimate object).

 

2. "I don't like silencers" after Jr. promoted them on SilencerCo prior to election and led us to believe better times were coming.

 

3. What happened to national concealed carry, which should have been passed the first two years of the Trump administration.

 

4. Ditto Hearing Protection Act.

 

A lot of broken promises for someone who claims to be our best friend.

 

What do you think he will do if he does not have to worry about reelection if his prior stated position was he didn't like "assault weapons," (i.e., AR-15s, etc.).

 

I know my friends from those who claim to be my friends, and will spend my money accordingly and vote the same (of course the problem is there isn't a good alternative--not good).

Edited by Robert Henley, 21 May 2020 - 03:57 PM.

[StrangeRanger]

I'm more worried about what that unhinged POS will do between Nov 3 and Jan 20 if he loses the election, an outcome that seem more and more likely.  He's a huge believer in carrying out a scorched earth policy against any and all that he perceives as having crossed him.  If he loses that means the entire populace but especially those who he thinks failed to support him as they should have.

[Gio]

I cant believe how some of you folks think. I am old and have learned who is on my side and the ones that want to take my rights away.

Frank

[inertord]

Maybe we can move this to the off topic forum since the liberals are chiming in 😕