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#41 ThompsonCrazy

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 01:49 PM

Good reference here:

http://www.machinegu...ic=15057&page=2

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#42 Jack Wright

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Posted 09 December 2018 - 02:20 PM

Tom, can not find the email you sent. Could you resend it to jhwright1938@gmail.com
Thanks, Jack
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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:15 AM

Here are some pictures of Jack's S-62648 Savage Thompson - a very British Tommy Gun!

 

The picture with arrows points out the Woolwich mark and the GEG markings on the left side of the receiver. 

 

All good stuff!!!

 

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Edited by TD., 10 December 2018 - 10:20 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 09:24 AM

Gun's still looking great Jack!


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#45 Jack Wright

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 05:09 PM

Hey Steve—that 28 Bridgeport AC my brother Andy bought from you still runs
like a Swiss watch. He likes it too much. I’m starting to get worried about him...
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Posted 11 December 2018 - 10:05 AM

Attached are photos of an early Savage owned by a local Illinois police agency, close in serial number range to the pictures that TD posted on behalf of Jack Wright.

 

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#47 Jack Wright

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 01:11 PM

Great pics, gijive. Everyone is probably wondering: how did a PD end up owning a British Thompson. I have a possible answer.
I did an FOIA request on my gun several years ago. One of the docs I received is a Form 2, Return Of Firearms Maunfactured,
Imported, Or Received. It is dated 26 August 1957. The name of the organization receiving the imported firearms is blacked
out, but from examination of other docs appears to have been international Armanent Corporation, Washington, D.C. The list
of guns reimported on the Form 2 contains 56 S Savage guns and five AOC Auto Ordinance guns. The guns are presumably
listed by serial number. Mine, 62648, is number three on the list, so presumably there were two reimported with lower serial
numbers. With the single exception of my gun, all of the actual serial numbers are blacked out. Only the prefix, S or AOC,
is shown. I am willing to bet that the PD gun in gijive’s post above is on the list of blacked-out serial numbers in this document!
Other docs in the package I received clearly show that Interarms sold these guns to several organizations and individuals,
although the identity of the purchasers is blacked out. If anyone else has done an FOIA request on his British Thompson he
very well may have received the same doc I have but with only the serial number of his gun shown. If so, please comment...
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Posted 12 December 2018 - 03:40 PM

Hi all...  By all means possible, get it to Paul at Diamond K. Come back looking like new. Mine did...  R


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#49 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 07:36 PM

Great pics, gijive. Everyone is probably wondering: how did a PD end up owning a British Thompson. I have a possible answer.
I did an FOIA request on my gun several years ago. One of the docs I received is a Form 2, Return Of Firearms Maunfactured,
Imported, Or Received. It is dated 26 August 1957. The name of the organization receiving the imported firearms is blacked
out, but from examination of other docs appears to have been international Armanent Corporation, Washington, D.C. 

 While the  import markings on British marked  TSMG's that wound up at PDs does usually guarantee the TSMGs saw service aborad and were marked at Birmingham or Enfield England, there were British marked TSMGs that went directly to a PD from Savage/AOC.

 

Frank Iannamico stated in "American Thunder:.

Guns that were made under contract for the British military were subjected to inspection and were often stamped with prolific British military marks. It is believed that British inspectors were assigned to the Savage factory in Utica, New York to inspect and stamp the Thompson guns that were being made for them under contract. British military acceptance marks were a a crown over a letter/number combination that indicated who inspected the weapon, and additional letters indicating where the inspection took place.


 


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#50 Jack Wright

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 08:33 PM

Did not know that. How would such a gun have the Woolwich mark on it? I was under the impression that the
Woolwich mark was applied after the gun reached Britian, not at the Savage plant where it was made.
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#51 Arthur Fliegenheimer

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Posted 13 December 2018 - 10:36 AM

Did not know that. How would such a gun have the Woolwich mark on it? I was under the impression that the
Woolwich mark was applied after the gun reached Britian, not at the Savage plant where it was made.

 

 

Apparently firearms that were purchased by the British Purchasing Commission (BPC)  received the Woolwich mark at the USA factory  prior to being shipped to Britain. The mark was applied by British inspectors.  Examples of these Woolwich stamps appear on purchases of Model 1928 Savage TSMGs, .32 auto Colt hammerless pistols, Colt .22 Woodsman, and 38/200 Colt Official Police revolvers.


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Posted 14 December 2018 - 06:15 AM

Did not know that. How would such a gun have the Woolwich mark on it? I was under the impression that the
Woolwich mark was applied after the gun reached Britian, not at the Savage plant where it was made.


The Woolrich stamp was just the British military acceptance stamp. The markings that would indicate the place we're on the right side of the receiver with the royal crown stamp and inspectors code.

It does look like in the pictures Gijive posted that it has a E for the Enfield plant. I'm not sure what all the different British location stamps we're though.

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#53 Mk VII

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 04:12 PM

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Posted 14 December 2018 - 08:04 PM

I have a Savage # 27300, that has the stamp of a crown over the number 17, and blow that is a capipit letter E pointing down. !!! On the left rear it has the letters A and L o er the number 944 !!! Can anyone tell me anything about these ?
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Posted 14 December 2018 - 10:33 PM

dam6,

A picture of these markings would really help Board members answer your question -  or at least offer an opinion. It sounds like you have an early Savage Thompson.  


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Posted 16 December 2018 - 06:38 PM

who can post pics if I email them to you ??   thanks


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 10:40 AM

Attached are the pictures of S-27300 taken by dam6. It is definitely an early Savage Thompson. The photos are small and do not provide a lot of information. However, I can tell the fire control levers are not the correct early Savage knurled levers. The markings on the right side of the receiver nose are British. I will let others who study these markings offer comments. I do not see an Index line on the barrel collar. I have seen the markings on the left side of the receiver under the rear sight on other Thompson guns somewhere in the past. I believe these markings have been discussed on this forum. Hopefully, someone has a better memory than me! 

 

I am curious if the frame serial number matches the receiver serial number. I would guess the patent markings are numbers, not dates. 

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

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Posted 17 December 2018 - 06:20 PM

Ask and answered - thanks!

 

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Posted 17 December 2018 - 06:22 PM

The lower doesnt match, lowers s 469727, it was a military rebuild. Also it was imported by inter arms Alex Va, and is so stamped on the upper.
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Posted 17 December 2018 - 07:54 PM

Whats up with the heavy roll marks? Was someone trying to over compensate for a faded/grounded serial number?
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