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I realize that this is off topic but the members here have a lot of knowledge. Here's one for the veterans, I stumbled on this at a local PD, a mint Tru Flite Gas Warfare gun with case.

I'm looking to buy it,,,, but have no clue on it's value, any ideas?
How does the ATF view this gun, does it require a tax stamp.

Appreciate the help,

Darryl










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Considered a non gun by the ATF. One similar on Gunbroker now for $1600

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=191645766

Brian

 

 

quote name='darrylta' date='Sep 21 2010, 03:46 PM' post='102518']

I realize that this is off topic but the members here have a lot of knowledge. Here's one for the veterans, I stumbled on this at a local PD, a mint Tru Flite Gas Warfare gun with case.

 

I'm looking to buy it,,,, but have no clue on it's value, and ideas?

How does the ATF view this gun, does it require a tax stamp.

 

Appreciate the help,

 

Darryl

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac178/DLRegister/GasGun9.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac178/DLRegister/GasGun8.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac178/DLRegister/GasGun5.jpg

 

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I don't know that this is a non-firearm...from the ATF website:

 

"Any tear gas device capable of chambering and firing any self-contained

cartridge. Even though the device may destroy itself in firing, it is still a

firearm under the National Firearms Act."

 

So you might want to check further...

 

 

Bob

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I know the Manville gas gun was removed from the firearms list.

I thought all 37mm were removed.

From another site

" Of course, to stay below ATF guidelines of a Destructive Device or Anti-Personnel round, THEY MUST NOT CONTAIN 1/4 OZ(7grams) OR MORE OF EXPLOSIVE or carry a payload designed to inflict injury (beanbag, lead shot, wood or rubber plug, etc)."

And also from Grog's where a lot of 37mm and 40mm people hang out

Based on the last topic concerning chambers of 37mm launchers, I figured I'd address things here concerning 37mm unregistered launchers and ATF.

 

ATF does not consider 37mm launchers weapons at this point in time, unless they are combined with anti-personnel ammo.

 

We would like to keep things this way. There is a reason most do not advocate writing clarification letters to ATF. First reason is, if it does not violate the NFA, or GCA, so be it. When someone writes a letter, asking permission to do something, the answer you get might very well lead to further regulation, or make ATF see a reason to regulate something they right now, don't.

 

In other words... If you live in a state that does not allow DDs, you can have 37mm unregistered launchers. Enjoy them, and all the pyrotechnic rounds you can fire out of them. Design and build line launching rounds, smoke rounds, gas rounds, pepper rounds, star clusters, para flares, and so on. Get a 26.5mm adapter, so you can shoot all those fun rounds too. Just don't get anything that is anti-personnel, like wood baton, rubber baton, and so on. Anything that LE or DOC shoots directly at people, that has a projectile that hits someone, IS anti-personnel. Don't try to get around that, it is the law.

 

As Des pointed out in the other thread, buckshot rounds are the same size as M212 casings, and very well might fit in some 37/38mm launchers, as the barrels in those things are not quality controlled, and vary greatly in ID. I've seen anything from 36.2 to 38.9mm in size. This might allow someone to cram one of those 576 rounds in there and get it to fire, if the chamber was honed out. (The 576 is pretty powerful and would most likely break the launcher...)

 

Bottom line is... If there are little or no regulations on the 37mm right now, writing letters, asking to do things that might make someone, somewhere, feel they need to step in to protect us from ourselves, is not a good thing.

 

Des also pointed out the Atkins Accelerator debacle. The people at Atkins had TWO letters approving their device from ATF, and began manufacture of their device. Someone then wanted "further clarification" and wrote another letter and sent a sample in. ATF reversed itself, and now you have thousands of people that had to turn in their products, plus a company that had to take a product off the market, because someone wanted "clairification..."

 

I am not saying that, if you have a legitimate question, don't write. All I am saying is that, you have to really give a lot of thought, prior to writing, what effect your inquiry might have on thousands of other 37mm owners in states that don't allow DD registrations IF the ATF decides to protect you from yourself. You could very well "hose" a lot of people, with a simple letter. If anyone has any questions about anything in this post, you can e-mail me at grog@frontiernet.net for further "clairification." Problem solved.

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Brian & Bob,

 

Thanks for the heads up.

Darryl

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