azboater Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Enjoy these.... 1. Policeman in Miami, Oklahoma holding Thompson 2. Toronto Police 1940 3. Caption: Police searching for convicts are well armed forthe job. Shown are some of their weapons. From top; a tear-gas rifle with shells; rifle; sub-machine gun and a shotgun 1947 Canada 4. Policeman looking down business end of the Thompson 5. Indian Motorcycle with Police (Drawn on, unfortunately) Edited January 6, 2017 by azboater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Interesting sidecar mount. Looks like it attached to a yoke in the sidecar where the legs of the shooter go under! Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Looks like a Savage 99 under whiteout at top.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) Forest Park, a suburb of Chicago, captured a bank robber in 1960 using a Thompson. The Chicago Daily Tribune Article from August 3, 1960, shows the officers and Chief displaying the recovered loot. Two original Press Photos are also attached as well as the version that appeared in the newspaper. Here is another one from the 1960's where a Thompson came into play. More for a show of force, I think, than actually having to use it. The photo is at the scene of a commercial burglary where multiple offenders were apprehended. Chicago P.D. South Side probably mid -1960's based on the uniforms. Edited January 7, 2017 by dalbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Forest Park, a suburb of Chicago, captured a bank robber in 1960 using a Thompson. The Chicago Daily Tribune Article from August 3, 1960, shows the officers and Chief displaying the recovered loot. Two original Press Photos are also attached as well as the version that appeared in the newspaper. Chicago_Daily_Tribune_Wed__Aug_3__1960_.jpg Forest Park Thompson 1.jpg Forest Park Thompson 2.jpg Here is another one from the 1960's where a Thompson came into play. More for a show of force, I think, than actually having to use it. The photo is at the scene of a commercial burglary where multiple offenders were apprehended. Chicago P.D. South Side probably mid -1960's based on the uniforms. CPD Thompson Burglars.jpg Sorry for the double post, maybe a moderator can delete the first one?Must have been a hot day in Chicago that guy in the middle sure is sweaty. Giant Panda must have fallen asleep during part of the TATA lecture last year LOL Ron Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Must have been a hot day in Chicago that guy in the middle sure is sweaty. Giant Panda must have fallen asleep during part of the TATA lecture last year LOL RonRon, I was thinking the same thing about the TATA lecture and yes, August in Chicago is very hot and humid. I'm not sure if the1980's is long enough ago to be vintage, but here is a picture of me checking out the Chicago Police Thompsons, kept in a sub-basement at the old police headquarters at 1121 S. State St. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Cool, a new shot of Baby Face Nelson, I've never seen. Hope Colt Chopper in on line. Amazes me these old 30s photos still pop up. Thanks for sharing. Nelson here has more hair in this photo, taken in Chicago. OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azboater Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Some Great Additional Photographs here, Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Chuck,Whatever became of the Chicago Thompsons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Ron, I never sleep at TATA lectures... (except maybe the gas gun one... no, I do remember that one!) I just don't hear or remember things anymore! My comment was the difference in the mount, I thought the TATA repro mount had a post that went all the way down to the base of the sidecar between the rider's legs. This one has a yoke where it splits above the rider's legs. The picture does seem familiar though... Chuck - great CPD pic! I want a signed copy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Must have been a hot day in Chicago that guy in the middle sure is sweaty. Giant Panda must have fallen asleep during part of the TATA lecture last year LOL RonRon, I was thinking the same thing about the TATA lecture and yes, August in Chicago is very hot and humid. I'm not sure if the1980's is long enough ago to be vintage, but here is a picture of me checking out the Chicago Police Thompsons, kept in a sub-basement at the old police headquarters at 1121 S. State St. CPD Thompsons.jpgI want a signed copy too. Great photo!! I'd like to agree the 1980 is not vintage, but the youth I run into seem to tell me otherwise. I have been told that I am now in the old man club. I guess it's a generational thing.........and I am no longer in the "young" generation. Ron Edited January 7, 2017 by ron_brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Chuck,Whatever became of the Chicago Thompsons?Chuck can confirm, but I believe most of them are "safe" in Chicago and will be for all eternity. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Chuck,Whatever became of the Chicago Thompsons?Canuck, I saw the guns ones one other time, several years after the photograph I posted. In about 2005 I viewed them at a different storage facility, as far as I know they are still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'm not sure if the1980's is long enough ago to be vintage, but here is a picture of me checking out the Chicago Police Thompsons, kept in a sub-basement at the old police headquarters at 1121 S. State St. CPD Thompsons.jpg That is a great photo, Chuck. Looking good...I'm surprised you've never shared that before. I too, want a signed copy. Maybe we can go in for a stack of 8x10's to hand out? I would frame it, and put it up in my office! David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kocapuff1 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Yes great pictures Chuck. Thank you for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirtyround Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 Did you notice the Thompson, middle shelf in the back... M1 / M1A1 with vertical grip. Or I would highly expect to be with that stock on it. Could be M1 lower on a 21/28 upper but doubt it. Everyone loved the feel and handling of the vertical grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Here are a few more photographs of the Chicago PD and other agency Thompsons: During the St, Valentine's Day Massacre investigation the Chicago Police seized three guns from Peter Von Frantzius, who was supplying the gangsters with defaced guns. The below article outlines the legal battle to keep three of the defaced Thompson guns from Von Frantzius. Two of the guns are still in the possession of the Chicago Police Department and they put them into service in their own arsenal. The serial numbers were raised by none other than Calvin Goddard and the original numbers were re-stamped on the guns: Two views of 1921 AC Thompson No. 5783. Close up view of 1921 AC Thompson No. 5619. Both guns have 1st Model Compensators. Alternate shot of cabinet with Thompsons. All the cases contain Colt guns. Oak Park Police Department test firing new guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Interesting news story Chuck, I see Walsh is involved again. Very active guy in the day- The milling off of the numbers looks a bit like the Nelson gun, all maybe done on a rotary shop grinder. What agency would be involved in stamping the numbers again, Treasury ? I guess it's pre 34 so not issues- OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorcar Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 You guys come up with the best stuff! Would I love to have a real stenciled "CHICAGO POLICE" case, wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawk64 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Oak Park had just received the guns a few days before the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 Interesting news story Chuck, I see Walsh is involved again. Very active guy in the day- The milling off of the numbers looks a bit like the Nelson gun, all maybe done on a rotary shop grinder. What agency would be involved in stamping the numbers again, Treasury ? I guess it's pre 34 so not issues- OCMSandy, Yes, normally on defaced guns the Treasury Department would have stamped a number for registration purposes. These guns were seized before the 1934 NFA, so Goodard raised the numbers just to see what the original numbers were and re-stamped them with the original numbers. Since it was rather apparent that the Chicago PD was going to keep them, they weren't numbered for registration purposes, it was just to track the gun shipments that went through Von Frantzius' shop, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Very interesting. Chuck, do you have the numbers form those guns? Are those numbers verified to be correct? The acid etch method is good, but not always perfect. Jackson Co. Mi. gun comes to mind. It always boggled my mind why people did not just take the barrel off and read the number. Marcellus Thompson went to Chicago and told them the number was under the grip mount. When I did not remember. But why did they ignore that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Very interesting. Chuck, do you have the numbers form those guns? Are those numbers verified to be correct? The acid etch method is good, but not always perfect. Jackson Co. Mi. gun comes to mind. It always boggled my mind why people did not just take the barrel off and read the number. Marcellus Thompson went to Chicago and told them the number was under the grip mount. When I did not remember. But why did they ignore that?Mike, Yes, those are the correct numbers. They show up in the Coroner's minutes of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, as well. Marcellus Thompson came to Chicago when they were trying to trace some gun shipments after the slaying of Asst. State's Attorney William McSwiggin in 1926. I think they resorted to the acid method because it was "scientific" and demonstrated how forensic science could solve crimes. Besides, lacking the proper tools to remove barrels, they probably felt it was quicker and easier to do the acid etching. Besides, the guns weren't regarded as collectibles and they didn't care if they ruined the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Mike, Besides, lacking the proper tools to remove barrels, they probably felt it was quicker and easier to do the acid etching. Besides, the guns weren't regarded as collectibles and they didn't care if they ruined the finish. Chuck,Don't know if chain of custody was a consideration, but after 1927, Marcellus could have arranged for Fenn Manufacturing to effortlessly remove the barrel to reveal the factory serial number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted January 11, 2017 Report Share Posted January 11, 2017 Arthur, Speaking of Fenn, I recently re-contacted them regarding my request from several months ago about getting some information on the type of fixture they used when they did the work for Auto-Ordnance. They were having some difficulty finding anything so I requested they start looking in their archives for the 1926/1927 time frame. If I hear anything I will post the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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