philasteen Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Darn, I can't believe i missed this: Parts for Sale "I have a Colt 1921A Barrel in ex. condition. Plus the Lyman sightin EX. condition. Both are truely mint. The Barrel is $900.00 OBO and the sight is$650.00 OBO. If you need these parts on your mint 21 please dont wait as it takes years for this nice of part's to show up. I have even removed the barrel so it is ready to install.I have detailed photos and take more.They are both sold funds pending Thanks all" http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/upload/nfapartsandaccys.1631.1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 WHAT? Be glad you did and call Doug Richardson and SAVE!!!! (or, for $100 more you can get an excellent condition 1928 kit from Landies at Ohio Ord. It comes with everything but the upper reciever.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philasteen Posted December 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 John Jr, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a colt barrel, not a 1928 Savage barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 QUOTE (philasteen @ Dec 22 2004, 08:11 PM) John Jr, correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a colt barrel, not a 1928 Savage barrel. Okay. If the barrel came off of a TSMG that colt assembled in the early twenties, then the barrel was built by Remington. Lyman built the sight. So we don't have a colt part yet. Plus if this barrel is not off of the first 1,000 guns thus meaning that the SN is not engraved onto face of the barrel where it screws into the upper, then we really don't know who built it. Colt parts are not marked in any way, and neither are reproductions. Just one of the MANY reasons I would never collect colt TSMG stuff. Take care Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Only Colt M-16 stuff? They ain't marked either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 IF this was a modified WW2 Barrel, than a Mark would be evident, UNLESS the mark disappeared through someone's handiwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Dec 22 2004, 10:37 PM) Only Colt M-16 stuff? They ain't marked either. A trend perhaps??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 QUOTE (LIONHART @ Dec 22 2004, 10:49 PM) IF this was a modified WW2 Barrel, than a Mark would be evident, UNLESS the mark disappeared through someone's handiwork. This wouldn't seem any less possible than someone failing to mark repro parts. JMHO... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 DAMN DEVLIN! I could almost hear that punch hit ya! Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waffen Und Bier Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 If the gun came out of a PD and hasn't been buggered with, it's usually a safe bet for original contract parts. I know what you mean though about not collecting stuff because it's such a minefield. I want an original Rev War period Charleville or a Brown Bess, but wouldn't risk it because of the possibility of switched parts or outright fakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 "Brown Bess"...is that NFA?...in the future maybe even hillary might let you own it... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 John Jr... And what exactly is your point? You know John, you have developed quite an infamous reputation for jumping in with your snide remarks...Not a day goes by, without seeing this type of behavior from you...I am literally shocked, as I am disappointed. Absolutely NO shame with your intrusive actions. I'm truly appalled... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Now with that being said, my point is no one would able to tell if this is indeed an original Colt Barrel, or a later reworked one. No matter if there had been a mark or not. For the dedicated Forger, there are ways around almost anything..Not that I wanted to start the entire Marking Debate again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 OK I am only going to say this once. Parts are back up for sale now, I was the original buyer who committed and backed out. Be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I guess the barrel was a fake after all. Minefields are everywhere I guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipershot1944 Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 So Sig, share what was wrong with it (them)? Sniper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Spill the beans Sig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 http://home.cogeco.ca/~msigillito/Forsale21a%20barrel.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Now I understand...That's NO Colt Barrel...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Sig, What did the seller say to you after you informed him that the merchandise he was selling wasn't kosher? It seems he just re listed it with no clarification or correction. Was the Lyman mount also not Colt blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIONHART Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 QUOTE It seems he just re listed it with no clarification or correction. That being the case...Let's get out the Rope folks...Seems this SOB needs to be hanging from the nearest tree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDoug Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 What is that mark on the first fin/seating shoulder? The fins do not look rounded properly, but I don't recognize that mark by the index mark. Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 What are the possibilities? First of all, he claims he took it from the upper himself. Either he is lying and made the fake himself or the barrel is a Richardson convert. If its not a Richardson, then he did the work himself and is one of those that PhilOhio is talking about. However, I doubt that a pro would have taken a picture of the proof mark and sent it to the potential buyer. Any advanced (and semi advanced) collector would call BS after seeing it. He either hoped for a dummy, or is innocent. My vote is the guy knew he had a fake and was trying to pass it off. Expose the seller and lets hear his name so other colt collectors won't take it up the arse from him in the future. (you folks know I could't care less about colt TSMG stuff, but I feel for any collector of TSMG stuff when this type of crap goes on. And no I don't want to start the mark the fake part threads up again, but this is a prime example of whats going to happen in 10-20 years on this other stuff. THANK GOD this part was marked to alert the collector before he lost $1600 on about $400 worth of parts.) Merry Christmas. Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Parts are listed as sold again. Oh my. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron A Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 That makes 2, the first guy trying to pass the Bbl off as "original" and the buyer who it appears has no idea what he is looking at. If Ebay didn't exist this junk would have to be passed off at a gun show and it would sit on a table forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Arthur seemed to have missed your questions. The seller never responded back when I pointed out the problems with his barrel. I never got to the Lyman sight as I was too busy with the barrel as my first confirmation. Since the barrel did not pass muster I never bothered with asking for closeups on the sight. My concern is that some poor buyer now believes he has a set of Colt parts, and we know for sure the barrel is not Colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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