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#1 Robert Henley

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 08:11 AM

Looking for some expert eyes to determine if this leather harness is original:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../Item/796959515

 

It looks too good or new looking (stamped number) to be original, but I'm not an expert.

 

Any other comments about it appreciated.

 

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 08:55 AM

Hard to believe it's original in that condition. Here's a couple photos of mine

 

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 09:18 AM

Repro.......
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:01 PM

Leather looks too good. The wood just not right.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:17 PM

Would an original be marked "Germany" (see photo 2) or would it read "Deutschland"?


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 06:00 PM

Definitely a repro, absolutely no question about it.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 10:58 PM

On GB under the heading of “Broomhandle” there is a nice vintage M96 leather stock holder that you can inspect and compare.
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Posted 19 January 2019 - 11:34 AM

On GB under the heading of “Broomhandle” there is a nice vintage M96 leather stock holder that you can inspect and compare.

 

I looked and saw these:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../item/790749529

 

https://www.gunbroke.../item/793530175

 

I think I like the shoulder hanging leather harness, assuming that's correct for my gun (manufactured between 1915 to 1921 as I recall from looking up the SN).

 

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Posted 19 January 2019 - 08:58 PM

Both guns in both those auctions have been refinished, both harness' are repros, and only the mauser banner stock in the ......175 auction is legit.  The other stock is a repro as well.  Older nicer one though.  All of it is priced as the real deal unfortunately.

 

 

Added some pics of two holster rigs- original

and one repro and one original stock.  HTH

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:44 AM

Is this one original leather?:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../Item/798165252

 

I think that's what I am looking for if someone happens to have one they don't need.

 

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 03:22 PM

I put a bid in on this one:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../Item/799178911

 

Before I go too far, is this one original or repo?

 

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 04:31 PM

Robert, 1917 leather, no I don't believe it. While the leather has a large grain making it appear old, the stitching looks fairly new, the leather would of had a much finer grain to it and you would see much darker patina and a smooth polished look showing wear. This appears to be some kind of reproduction. But hey, for the price, (if it stays there) it would be ok to use in my opinion. The photos are really not that great either. I defer to other opinions.

 

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 06:21 PM

Robert, 1917 leather, no I don't believe it. While the leather has a large grain making it appear old, the stitching looks fairly new, the leather would of had a much finer grain to it and you would see much darker patina and a smooth polished look showing wear. This appears to be some kind of reproduction. But hey, for the price, (if it stays there) it would be ok to use in my opinion. The photos are really not that great either. I defer to other opinions.

 

MH

 

Those were my impressions too, but a nice reproduction at a reasonable price would be OK.  My bid is well below what it will probably sell for, I'm guessing.

 

But if it was original, I'd stay in the bidding.

 

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Posted 20 February 2019 - 05:44 PM

I went a little higher, but my conclusion was it was a fake after studying the ones above that were real.  I hope I was right because if it was real it was a steal, and I wasn't the successful bidder.


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 03:20 PM

I went a little higher, but my conclusion was it was a fake after studying the ones above that were real.  I hope I was right because if it was real it was a steal, and I wasn't the successful bidder.

Just so folks are aware harnesses started getting knocked off in the 1970s so some are a good 50 years old today

Only way to even hope to tell the slightest difference might be is the stitching but even that isn't sure fire 100%

 

I suppose one could test for the tanning processes involved too

 

anyways any harness that's in pretty decent shape has a 50% chance of being an older knock off

most originals either have repairs or tears

very few survived the last century or more unscathed.


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Posted 27 February 2019 - 03:58 PM

What about this one?:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../Item/801558335

 

Real or not?   Looks real to me.

 

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Posted 28 February 2019 - 10:33 PM

What about this one?:

 

https://www.gunbroke.../Item/801558335

 

Real or not?   Looks real to me.

 

Robert

 

Likely a real harness

Iron is original however the inside of the stock looks a bit fresh

Some guys buy busted stocks then install the hardware on repro wood after aging them up some

 

It's a tough call


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 05:51 AM

Even the experts can disagree on some stuff. 


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Posted 01 March 2019 - 06:48 AM

Leather harness is original, the stock is hard to tell but I'm thinking of a later time period than the teens. By the way, I'm interested in finding a stock for a Schnellfeuer 712, a repro would be OK. I found a maker overseas who wants the world for a repro, not going to pay that much. If anyone knows of anything available please let me know.

 

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Posted 01 March 2019 - 01:15 PM

Leather harness is original, the stock is hard to tell but I'm thinking of a later time period than the teens. By the way, I'm interested in finding a stock for a Schnellfeuer 712, a repro would be OK. I found a maker overseas who wants the world for a repro, not going to pay that much. If anyone knows of anything available please let me know.

 

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Yes it's a bit too blonde for the early issue

at the very least the holster stock and harness are badly mismatched.

 

Something for guys to remember is the Mauser manufactured stocks were cut from a Northern European Walnut with tends to be quite a bit darker than French or Southern Euro wood. 

The old school repros were all French or Southern Walnut, rather blonde like this one

The Chinese stocks are almost all very light colored wood once you get under the stain.  Real light in weight as well contrasted to real Euro Walnut

 

This should NOT be taken as a hard and fast rule though

The very early stocks, pre 1900 were often rather blondish.

Knew one old C96 collector many years ago who claimed the Walnut used was "French", or rather sourced from Western Germania so well basically French Walnut

 

Over the years I have heard so many opinions

really the only way to resolve it would be by DNA testing to identify exact origin


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