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#1 sxsfan

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:57 AM

I'm a long time military fan..and have had the usual semi configured weapons..including an Israeli import 1919. My dentist is a C3 owner...M-60..Glock 18..AC 556..AK. I went with him a few times to Markham Park when FA night was once a month. My  real interest has  been SXS shotguns...Parker..LC Smith..Fox, etc...and Winchester rifles...Lately. I've been looking over available C3 weapons..( I have C&R and CCW licenses..so I'm confident in passing check)..when my friend said he has a tranferable PPS 43 that he would sell. The price is reasonable...BUT..He says sometimes it fires one shot..then stops with bolt closed..and sometimes the firing pin doesn't strike the primer at all..I've read what I could find on the weapon..and saw that the hinge  pin location can be critical to the operation. I confess I'm in the dark..and would like some advice/experience/suggestions ?...before I make any purchase...Thanks.j..


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Posted 08 October 2018 - 11:01 AM

PPs43 is an ingenious design and incredibly simple.The firing pin can easily be replaced if needed, and it is possible, with this gun, that the pin has been damaged and needs replacement. The pin is held in place in the boltface by the extractor. Remove the extractor, plunger and spring and the pin can be taken out.
The "hinge pin" has nothing to do with the relationship of the barrel to the bolt in this gun. The bolt is free to go into battery within a wide range of forward or backward movement of the barrel.
If the price is right go for it. 

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#3 sxsfan

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 12:27 PM

Thank you for the reply. I was under the impression that the FA guns had a fixed firing pin. Where can I buy a new one  ?..J..


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#4 BillyDixon

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 03:33 PM

why dont you just get a complete replacement bolt ,it just drops right in . this is a fa gun right..


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Posted 08 October 2018 - 06:54 PM

Yes..The one I'm looking at is a FA gun..but...the failure to operate correctly...sometimes not hitting primer..and other times firing. but  failing to fire the second shot has me a bit concerned. I know nothing about working on such weapons..What would another bolt accomplish ?...thanks..,j...


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#6 BillyDixon

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Posted 08 October 2018 - 07:09 PM

one of the amazing things about some of the f.a. sub guns is a bolt that runs great in one gun wont work relabilaty in another  exact same modle,ive had this happen with stens and mp-40s


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Posted 08 October 2018 - 09:59 PM

Hi SXSFan,

 

If it is a good price, buy it and have it gone over.  There are many things that might cause the situation you mention.  I've had open bolt guns do what  you described due to lack of lubrication or even a weak recoil spring.

 

Best to look at the round that didn't fire at the time of stoppage.  Shaving at the rear of the case can be caused by a burr on the bolt face in feeding.  It can the bolt enough to cause a failure to fire.  Other causes might be an extractor problem.

 

Either way, there are several competent mg-smiths out there.  Black River Militaria CII has been at it since before I was born and that is a long time :)  There are also some really good smiths in the Orlando area.

 

Either way, enjoy!

 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 01:27 PM

Seems to be a good price. He wants one of my shotguns and some boot..We'll see. I passed along to him the suggestion about fixing the feed and/or misfire problems. He said he would do it and get back with me...thanks for the help..j..


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:50 PM

Sell..He says there has been some progress on the feed problems..How much clearance/lubrication should the bolt have ?..Do the springs get weak enough to hinder operation ?..thanks..JV..


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Posted 21 October 2018 - 08:52 AM

Well..Seems that the problems continue. He had a gunsmith look at it..Still has problems..I've decided to pass on it. What I think I'll do..is buy one of the many kits available..and have a semi-auto built. Can someone suggest a builder that is competent ?/..thanks..JV.


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Posted 22 October 2018 - 05:03 AM

Well..Seems that the problems continue. He had a gunsmith look at it..Still has problems..I've decided to pass on it. What I think I'll do..is buy one of the many kits available..and have a semi-auto built. Can someone suggest a builder that is competent ?/..thanks..JV.


Make sure the gunsmith he had look at is familiar with machine guns, the average "gunsmith" has no clue how they work or why.


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Posted 24 October 2018 - 02:29 AM

Serious question.  Not trying to be rude, but how can you almost buy a registered full auto version of a gun, then pass up on it because of some part inside of it that is probably cheap and easy to fix that is worn out, then decide to just settle for a semi auto version of this gun?


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Posted 20 November 2018 - 08:29 AM

First..in reply...I decided..in my case ,to look for another FA to purchase. Perhaps a Ruger..I have my PPS 43 receiver properly welded for a semi gun build..and have a semi bolt from a GB supplier. Does anyone have a used barrel for sale ?


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Posted 23 November 2018 - 11:00 AM

Well..I give up..I should have researched the trigger conversion,before I jumped in. I don't have the expertise to change everything. I sold all my stuff  to a couple veterans that do reenactments. They just want the look..Don't care about working. I'll keep looking for a gun..but now...back to my sxs shotguns..thanks to all who helped a true novice...


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Posted Yesterday, 06:06 PM

Ppsh was a very enjoyable gun to shoot

Why not buy the gun at a discount. -$2000

Then get it fixed. You may be able to fix it yourself with parts swap

A brp stg76 will give you a similar gun with a warranty

Might be a good choice for your first FA.

Gun smiths are 6-18 months out. Dont buy nonfunctional unless you can wait years for a repair
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