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#21 jim c 351

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 08:16 AM

HTH,

I examined the gun before Gary bought it.

My first thought was that the barrel was a replacement.

Then it occurred to me that the barrel was a slim Jim in the chamber area . Only Colt and Marlin made the slim Jim type barrel and it was not stamped "C" or "M".

Later the fat chamber barrels became standard , so its not likely made post war.

So,, who made the barrel??

We may never know.

As far as the bolt is concerned, I didn't disassemble the gun.

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#22 GaryKeim

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 11:39 AM

The barrel is marked M on top where it attaches to the receiver... I initially thought this was 11.

The bolt is marked W M.A.

Edited by GaryKeim, 23 July 2018 - 02:43 PM.

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#23 jim c 351

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 11:59 AM

Gary,

I stand corrected.

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Posted 23 July 2018 - 07:56 PM

The bolt should have a  N.S. stamp visible in the ejection port "nickel steel"  and I think the op rod is also NS, but you have to take it apart to see it from what I recall.  Not sure on the wood fore end, but those I believe are also W marked.  Not sure if yours is a repro or?  hard to tell from the pics, but I'd take a look at the inside when you take it apart.   I have seen NS parts from time to time and a number of winchester barrels, but finding the correct date range  and one that had original blued finish took me 5+ years, so I have a spare should it be needed (by the next guy since I never shoot it).  A lot depends on how bad your obsession is?  Mine's kind of bad, so I chase a lot of parts to put a gun back to original.  On my gun, it was exceptional when I bought it, so I got lucky with this one.


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Posted 23 July 2018 - 09:02 PM

As I reported above, the bolt is stamped W, and on a different angle, M.A., visible through the ejection port.

I think I see NS on the underside of the operating handle, only visible when drawn back.

Ill figure out how to disassemble it and check all the marks.

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Posted 04 August 2018 - 03:24 PM

Ive started taking this gun down. Like normal1959s example, this one is marked W MA on the majority of the parts Ive found. Recall that there are no military marks.The back of the trigger assembly has W, M, and R.Attached File  DED175E4-5EF9-4638-8AEF-59C3DFE7D513.jpeg   165.97K   13 downloadsAttached File  E6FCDF17-41A4-4E65-BBA8-BBD6D1660446.jpeg   100.33K   13 downloadsAttached File  79C25976-1479-4315-8F52-07ACCF6DB15F.jpeg   102.32K   14 downloadsAttached File  CB137C52-B43E-49C4-B3D5-783613C315B7.jpeg   157.5K   16 downloadsAttached File  432CDC4D-F3EB-46BB-B11C-9CD3A1B91451.jpeg   152.22K   16 downloadsAttached File  768BF547-248D-43A9-8962-D45E98E77310.jpeg   120.15K   15 downloadsAttached File  454296FC-C54A-4FC2-825B-01EDAA04C7A3.jpeg   84.29K   15 downloadsAttached File  ACA5B7E6-4238-430A-B395-37295D6E403B.jpeg   181.22K   13 downloadsAttached File  A2855F86-46F3-4A4B-BD71-D8AF45CE2491.jpeg   59.67K   14 downloadsAttached File  47842C97-987B-42AE-A183-937E473F1089.jpeg   123.42K   15 downloadsAttached File  84518055-2136-4D7A-8343-00B231DC009E.jpeg   58.66K   13 downloadsI assume this is a commercial model and my guess is that M.A. stands for Marlin Arms. But why?
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Posted 04 August 2018 - 06:48 PM

Gary.

Are you ready to become even more confused??

I noticed that your receiver is not stamped with a ordnance acceptance wheel or a war eagle. This would be to the left of the serial no.

Does that mean your rifle was never accepted by the US??  I sure don't know. Take a look at my "Home Guard BAR" on page 2 and you will see what I mean.

So,----since Winchester was the leader in the BAR program, did they make extra receivers and pass them out to Marlin and Colt?? I don't know.

Did Marlin stamp "MA" on parts supplied by Winchester??  I don't know.

Does anyone here own a Marlin and can shed light on how Marlin parts are marked?? I don't know.

We certainly need a few experts here.

In any case it would appear that your rifle may have some non Winchester parts. Obviously a difficult thing to cope with.

Try to keep things in perspective. Think of how few people in the world own a Winchester BAR. Or better yet, how many people in the world don't own a Winchester BAR.

I must close now. I just discovered that my Colt BAR has a Winchester rear sight and I am having a really difficult time coping with it.

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Posted 05 August 2018 - 11:09 PM

Yes, I think that early on it’s possible Marlin was making parts that end up in Winchester BARs.

So far, it’s all “W” with plenty “MA” all over.
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Posted 05 August 2018 - 11:11 PM

And, yes, as I said... no military marks anywhere to be found.
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Posted 18 August 2018 - 12:15 PM

Gary,

This morning I picked up my Winchester BAR.

I have the barrel/receiver group stripped for cleaning and identifying part.

The barrel is stamped "W" 11-18 and has "CRC" stamped on the underside of the barrel 2.5 inches in front of receiver ,just like yours.

Have not found "MA" anywhere.

Front site blade and rear site stamped with "w".

If I push my imagination I might make out a small "w" on the bolt lock, but no other bolt parts stamped.

Hammer stamped "NS" and "w".

Op spring guide stamped "w".

Piston and slide stamped "w".

Sear and ejector stamped "w".

I do not plan on stripping the trigger group at this time.

Was this any help??

I should add that this was a lend/lease gun and I don't believe it was ever fired.

Jim C


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Posted 19 August 2018 - 06:59 AM

How about some pictures Jim

Would love to see it. 

Congrats.

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#32 jim c 351

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 08:27 AM

Eric,

I will try to take some pics soon.

But just to leave you in suspense I will say this, my Winchester is even nicer than my Colt, condition wise.

But when it comes to fit and finish, the post war Colt beats the wartime Winchester.

Thanks for asking,

Jim C


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#33 michaelkih

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 02:01 AM

Freaking nice BAR!!


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