colt21a Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 i know i have read that everybody has roger's book and tracie,and american thunder....{ordered that one last year}and i like it, and of course the classic t.g.t.m.t.t.r.by bill......... that started me on the quest,{in 1969}and really my old time favorite.nothing like a old good book......that you have read 100 time.. so how many have the real deal serial book??? and if i hear oh!! its too expensive............... you trully are not a thompson buff...............let alone the history of them........... so get one now..........before it becomes out of print,and the price go's up like clawson's 45 book's......oh darn was i to mention that........ i do not get any kickback,noveltie's,under the table pay-off's............or commission's from this............or cereal coupon's.......just helpin get the word out..............wink!! take care,ron colt 21a.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie32 Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I've got one, pre-ordered and got to choose the number I wanted. Fantastic reference guide, a must for anyone who owns, or at some point would like to own a Colt. If you're going to spend $20,000+ for a gun, then in all honestly, does it really matter how much the book is? Best wishes to all. -George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted January 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 yes the reply i needed, funny tho, big gun's, big buck's,and i have run across people who don't even have a manual or book on something they collect...........that one i will never understand............. it also comes with a little neat 21a on the binder,a company out east used to sell them,but i can't find them anymore,and auto-ord only has those goldish 28 model's. now........... you will enjoy the book.......and hope you get a kick out of the letterheads..........my donation...............take care ron p.s. remember to light candles and say the {secret word}words before opening the cover............good juju...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Ron, The history of these 15,000 Colt TSMGs is of enourmous interest and relevance to anyone intersted in owning one of the few remaining samples. But there are those potential sellers out there who loathe the idea that a paper trail follows their guns. This makes it more difficult when they advertise a Colt for sale to gild the lilly about its condition and proprietorship. All the more reason why GH needs to stay on top of the current market sales and be vigilant in updating his book on a yearly basis regarding any newly discovered history on previously unreported numbers. The big hitters (owners) in the book Cox, Earl, Tilotta, Miller, Richardson (not Doug), Roarke, Williams, Vollmer, and yourself, of course, are well-represented, but what about those individuals that pop up with a serial number heretofore unpublished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron A Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I purchased the book two years ago and find it well worth the money, as pointed out there are those who would prefer their guns not be listed for reason stated. I would like to see updates for the older issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I was suprised to see that 3 of the Colt's I know of and trying to buy were not in there. They are now. GH didn't know where they were either. All he had was a number and a blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Mike, What is the holdup on the deal for these Colts'? And what type are they? If you can reveal that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I have book number 123 from the second edition. I know that Gordon only a few from the latest edition left. The updates to the prior additions are also avaliable. I have a little paragraph in the book on the Colts that I own and have owned and have been helping Gordon with the "Irish Swords" down here in NZ as there is a number and I keep finding more, recently an excellent condition "Gentry" gun. Mine are all "Rorke" guns. The book cost me more that twice (in dollars) that you guys pay for it and as you need four russian women and an elephant to lift it, the air mail postage was steep but! I refer to it often and I belive it is worth every cent. Another point is that the book is not a mass produced item. Every numbered copy is assembled by hand and takes hours, plus Gordon produces it himself. In my humble opinion, it is a "labour of Thompson love." Regards http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Murray, that last message was garbled in transmission! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Thanks Walter, Thats caused by typing with out one's glasses and hitting the wrong keys http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif Hope it is OK now, Regards, Murray. : http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Thanks Murray! I've still got to pick up a copy. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/cool.gif Regards, Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt21a Posted January 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 QUOTE (Arthur Fliegenheimer @ Jan 22 2004, 04:36 PM)Ron, The history of these 15,000 Colt TSMGs is of enourmous interest and relevance to anyone intersted in owning one of the few remaining samples. But there are those potential sellers out there who loathe the idea that a paper trail follows their guns. This makes it more difficult when they advertise a Colt for sale to gild the lilly about its condition and proprietorship. All the more reason why GH needs to stay on top of the current market sales and be vigilant in updating his book on a yearly basis regarding any newly discovered history on previously unreported numbers. The big hitters (owners) in the book Cox, Earl, Tilotta, Miller, Richardson (not Doug), Roarke, Williams, Vollmer, and yourself, of course, are well-represented, but what about those individuals that pop up with a serial number heretofore unpublished? art i still find numbers from time to time,oh!!stupid me was to never right down the numbers i have seen on closet thompson's....and destroyed one's..........and the two in the indiana attic............ and the one in fat tony's cheese shop in chicago....... i have the pics on the chicago gun's.and some history and conditon,{old news}and tried tho buy the chicago tribune thompson...heck i have tried to buy every thompson i ever looked at.......... and most would not sell it.i have also found out.those that do,go back to it after awhile...the addiction is "DEEP" and cannot be removed,without gamma rays.......... i have never added up all the guns these people you mention,but i am sure it is a bunch. well folks enjoy gordons book,don't forget bell ,book and candle,wink!! take care,ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I have one of the books, and I could care less about the colt production run. Interesting reading for anyone interested in the Thompson. I will sell it for $385, except to Arthur and the price is $600 with my autograph. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 John Jr, Did yours come with a plain brown wrapper just in case your mom caught you with it in the bathroom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Ron,.. I recieved # 173 for Christmas, great gift...especially when you can find your own 21 in there,...a very proud moment for me.It took me a long time to acquire a Colt 21 and I can say I truly enjoyed the quest and acquisition,without a doubt....I shoot a lot of full autos.. the pounding of a BAR,... the smoothness of a mp40,.. the speed of a mac10,...the carnage of a mg34,...ah,but nothing thrills me as much as my 21,..elagant,reliable...Historic. I`m gonna KEEPEM`SMOKIN`,out. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Jr Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Good news, Arthur just bought my copy for $700, he wouldn't let me sign it. So I shit in it instead. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Jr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Arthur, my deals are pending on the transfer of power. 2 here in state I had a deal with the "old" chief. As of the first of the year, he didn't tell me, he was out of office. The new guy is younger. He said he liked the old guns sitting in a class room in the glass case where they have been for 40+ years and wasn't sure he wants to sell them now. He was aware of the deal that I had with the old guy and he will let me know if he changes his mind. And yes I told him I have the cash in hand that the department need to outfit the guys. The other, is awaiting word from the BATF. This one is out of state, but I am the only other person other than the chief and my friend that is aware of it being there. And no I won't tell anybody where it is until I get it from the police. It was sold to them in 1921. And that's all I have to say about that. I have leaked out more than I probably should, but the deal is getting close. it's like when that first baby is due, if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Mike, I figured these had to be PD guns considering they accepted (or, almost accepted) the 1/3 market price for them. But since no particular person in the department owns these guns, it is strange that the Chiefs take a proprietary attitude toward them. Amazing that Cox, Earl and others missed these specimens when the cops were aching to upgrade their arsenals 30-40 years ago. Did the PD that has owned that Colt new in 1921 ever register it in 1934? What type of Colt's are these, and what is their condition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 2 are the 1921a the one w/o the compensator at a pd in state. Just guns, no drums or mags.They are in I would say about 60% because they have been sitting on one side in a glass cabinet not moved for close to 40 years now. So says the chief. They were registered in the 40's. they both have a slight rust color to they. I told the chief they are just rusting away. I will put them to great educational uses. My own. The other out of state is a 1921ac the one with the comp. It is in I would rate about 90% condition. If you look at my web site it is the top one on the left. Wih original drum, mags and papers. This is the one I have been trying to get the department to cut loose from for about 5 years now. New chief wants money for equiptment so they are discussing the polictics of selling a NFA item. Small town, big politics.But I have a friend who works at the department and he is working on it for me. He's giving the new guy the old it's going to a collector who will use it for education of youth and adults. Plus it will be used for history lessons. I hope it works. I'm starting to get withdraws from nothing pending right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fencer Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 That's BS, those guns have been out of the case. The "school liason" cop used to do a show and tell with one. How the heck else would I have known about them. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/dry.gif God save me from small town politics. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/mad.gif Mike we need to talk, email sent with phone #. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQB Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Does anyone know how to contact Gordon? CQB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I have sent you an e-mail via the forum with all the details you need, Regards Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Murray, could you also drop me an email regarding contact info. for Gordon and Doug Richardson. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif Thanks and best regards, Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Walter, I have replied but all this talk about Maidens and virginity is un-phasing me! Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Murray, that is the Americanized version of Sir Winston Churchill's famous statement, "Asking Great Britain to surrender part of her sovereignty is like asking a maiden to surrender part of her virginity." You have to admit that he really could cork them off! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Regards, Walter P.S. "Live free or die," is the State Motto of New Hampshire, coming down from the American Revolution. I love the sentiment. P.P.S. Thanks for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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