All pictures would be very much appreciated. All other Board members with long cleaning rods please think about getting out your toys and taking a few pictures. We have enough information on the Board right now to make you feel pretty good about your rod...or make you start to wonder. We can resolve a lot of questions if everyone will jump in and help.
Greg Fox sent me some wonderful pictures to post. The pictures include a Terry Williams reproduction rod, four Michigan State Prison rods and a rod of unknown origin. First with the known Terry Williams reproduction rod:
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The picture on the left shows the Terry Williams loop. Note the rounded end on the loop.
The picture on the right shows the Terry Williams jag and slot. Note the rounded corners on the slot. It is also marked with a number 7. The reason for the numbering is unknown but I would not expect to find all T Williams reproduction rods numbered.
The next picture features the Terry Williams reproduction rod and and the one of unknown origin. The rod on the left is the Terry Williams rod; the rod on the right is of unknown origin:
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The last picture of the Williams rod included the one of unknown origin and the Michigan State Prison rod, each one marked for easy reference (Thanks Greg)
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SEE Post Below for more on 1921A's rod of unknown orgin.
It appears to me we have conclusively identified a reproduction long cleaning rod. The rods owned by Greg (1921A) and Bill (aut-ord-co) were purchased as reproduction rods many years ago and appear to match. One is known to be from Terry Williams, a known seller of reproduction long cleaning rods years ago. In addition, the rod from ebay auction No. 2 and the pictures of the rod of unknown origin I posted pictures of also seem to match Greg's and Bill's rod. The key to identifying this rod to me are the rounded end on the loop end and the lack of a pin holding the jag onto the rod. It appears to be a one piece rod. I welcome all comments. I especially welcome someone who has a rod like this with some known provenance that casts doubt on my comments. We are in this to learn.
Greg also supplied pictures of three cleaning rods from the Michigan State Prison, rods he obtained years ago, probably before any reproduction rods were on the market. Please note the jag can be removed from one of the Michigan State Prison rods.
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What I noticed right off is the lack of a metal bump at the loop end that was found on some of the known originals posted above. I also noted how the slots are not absolutely square but are not absolutely rounded (like the Williams reproduction rod). It looks a lot like the middle rod posted by SIG, above, or the one he obtained with a police hard case years ago. I would like to know if SIG's police case rod has a metal bump at the end of the shaft. Better pictures of the slot on SIG's police hard case rod would also be helpful. One of the pictures clearly shows the rivet holding the jag on the loop shaft and how the rivet has been ground and polished into an irregular shape. I believe this is the sign of an original rod.
Without a picture of the jag or slot on Greg's rod of unknown origin, we really do not have enough information make a valid comparison with anything. Perhaps Greg has some additional pictures of this rod to share in the future. It is also impossible to tell if it has a metal bump at the end of the loop end.
Thanks again to everyone who has participated in this thread. Let's keep it alive with some new information and pictures.
Edited by TD., 16 March 2014 - 12:11 PM.