sc269 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Guys, This is my first post, so please advise if this is not the right place for this question. I recently got the Form 4 for an early model 1928. I believe it to be a Commercial. It came with a Crosby 30rd stick mag. I would like to get an L Drum that would be correct for the era. Is there a particular manufacturer I should look for? And where should I look or contact. A price range would also be helpful to know what would be a fair deal. Thanks. Kenny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 sc,Is your commercial 1928 a Colt, Savage or West Hurley??????Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Jim, It is a Savage with serial number (S-21,xxx). Not sure if I should post the whole number.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 SC, that serial number says it all. We will need some pictures though. A later Colt era drum would be fine for your early Savage. There is a drum mentioned by Doug Richardson called "The Savage Drum". It was made by USCO and has the NY address (like your gun) and U markings. I understand that they are quite rare in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Thanks guys. I will try get some pics attached in a day or two. Is there a problem with buying magazines outside the U.S.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgvince Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Did you get that gun out of Oklahoma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Vince, The gun is from New York,N.Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgvince Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm looking at a 21000 range Savage that's in Oklahoma. Thats a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 This one was bought early this year. But it was not in Oklahoma. Quite a coincidence. Don't let it get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Hey Bug, Will this enough to go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Sorry guys that pic looks like crap. How do you post decent images. Is there a better way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThompsonCrazy Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 That's a beauty! Make sure you get a polyeurothane buffer disc in her. TC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim c 351 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 SC,From the picture you posted it looks like a really nice Tommy.Your very lucky.Jim C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK2112 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Yea......thats a beautyful early savage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 TC, I will look into that.But also need is an L-Drum that is correct for it. I have read as much as I can find on the internet and Tracy Hill's book, but nothing yet narrows it down. Thanks guys for the compliments. I do like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) It's hard to take nice indoor pictures of a dark colored gun with a snapshot camera the lens is too small to let in enough light without the flash, and the flash is too bright, it just reflects off the gun try taking pictures of the gun in indirect sunlight, like just inside the garage with the doors open or on a porch you need that 1.21 jigawatts of sunlight candlepower to get that small lens to make a good picture Edited December 16, 2014 by buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Roger Herbst or TSMG28 is the drum expert on the Board. Here is a recent thread where the same question was asked: http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16733&hl= If TSMG28 does not chime in you may try sending him a Private Message from the Board. You have a very nice Savage with many early features (to be expected in that serial number range). Be sure and update the disk on the buffer pilot before shooting it. The pilot is sticking out the back of the receiver quite a bit! Do you have a history on this Savage? Please post more pictures. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hntrdarren Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Congratulations sc269 on obtaining your beautiful Savage Commercial Thompson. Cant wait for more pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 TD, Didn't Crosby have one of the first drum contracts to the British? I know the Thompson community considers the Crosby drum to be poorly made but I feel I read somewhere that they shipped a bunch to the Brits. early on. A Crosby might be easier to find and more affordable than some others. I have a Crosby with Seymour internals. Looks the part and shoots great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I'll try to answer all the questions the best I can. I cannot send more pics until at least this weekend. I work 12 hr swing shift. The only history I have is that the seller's father owned it for many years. It does not have any British markings on it that I see.I too I have researched this model and can only guess that an individual originally bought it. Because it has no inventory markings or military stamps. Sorry to keep you waiting, I really didn't expect that anyone would be interested in seeing it. I was just looking for a mag. As far as the buffer goes TC, I have sent an email to Bob Massing requesting one. If he doesn't have one, do you know where to get one. I promise to send photos if you guys promise not to beat me up when I tell you how much I paid. Thanks for not asking. My friends couldn't help themselves, so I didn't tell. I just said "A lot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 PK ( Diamond K ) has the buffer and probably anything else you might need to be replaced. Omega has a lot of WWII stuff for Thompsons, I think including the knock-off Crosby L drums. Might do a little forum search on the L drums,( China or Taiwan or wherever they were made), I was looking for a friend I think on the New West Hurley advice post. Someone had them. About $160.00 or so. Correct one for you Savage Thompson, I'm sure a LOT more. 1000s maybe. ? Keep us posted- OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Banjo,The British did contract directly with The Crosby Company for the manufacture of drums in 1940. These contracts were for 2500 and 100,000 drums. Delivery for both contracts was completed by February 1941. The British also contracted directly with Auto-Ordnance (AOC) for 185,000 drums during the same time period. I do not know the type of drum provided by AOC but delivery of these 185,000 occurred in 1940, well before the Bridgeport plant opened in August 1941. All three of the above contracts reference the second British order of 2,000 Thompson guns, made on May 14, 1940. The early Crosby drums would be correct for a 21,000 serial numbered Savage gun. I will let TSMG28 comment on the types of AOC drums that would also be correct. sc269,If your early Savage Thompson turns out to be what collectors refer to as a Savage Commercial Thompson, you will probably have the last laugh on your friends. That is why I wanted to know the history. Any type of military markings would most likely negate it being sold commercially by AOC in the 1940's. And another reason for wanting to see pictures. Question: Are the receiver and barrel the same color? Or is there a difference in color and finish. Please describe as pictures often times are deceptive on this point. Is there an Index line on the barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 It seems that some members have already saw my Thompson. It appears that it was referenced in a previous post several years ago.http://www.machinegu...ic=11872&page=1 Talk to you guys this weekend. Gutterrat has shipped me a buffer. Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I was going to try to find a drum for my 17,000 serial number savage Looks like it's going be difficult and expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc269 Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hear's the photos that I promised. I know that there was some issue of this gun being refinished.That is never been an issue with me. I've always wanted an early model Thompson. Now I have one. I believe it to be in good condition. I may have spent more then its value. But I found they were hard to come by.If by chance someone knows of one that is available at a less expense please advise because I would be interested. But only with the New York address. I have seen the one in Okla. For 30k, but can't see 10k difference with mine. Take a look and give me your honest opinion. I work where I found that criticism is the only way to improvement. This set me back 20,000. But like I said earlier, there is not much to choose from. Hardly any. I still need the correct era drum. Even if it has been refinished. Thanks guys for your interest and help.SC. Sorry. Need help loading large file. Is there an option for a dozen HD pics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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