Veloce Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) I have a question for the members: Are the complete(barrel including) Thompson M1 parts kits(with a torch cut receiver, with only 2 receiver sections present) legal in CA? Is it legal to sell a kit like that to a CA resident? What about a magazine that comes with the kit? Thank you! Edited May 18, 2016 by Veloce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I think in reality, if there is a law, that is what is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veloce Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 IS there a CA law prohibiting shipping of such parts kits to CA? Any feedback would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Legal to own and ship to California. No laws against it, Just don't ship a magazine larger then 10 rds, even one modified to hold only 10 Edited May 18, 2016 by Paladin601 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veloce Posted May 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I will repeat my story for educational purposes - I sold INCOMPLETE magazine "parts" to a guy in CA . He got busted for drugs or something, cops went through his stuff, found guns and complete illegal mags. went through his computer, found emails to me ( among others I am sure) . CA DOJ sends me a letter, wants to charge me with illegally shipping hi cap mags to CA, AND wants me to come out there to be "interviewed". Yea, right. Lawyer provides an interface with them and we show the them the emails, the add, the picture of the magazine parts, etc. finally after six months they decide not to proceed. So, I made like $20 on the mag parts. Lawyer cost me like several thousand. you do the math. Move out of the communist state , work to vote them out, or live with the workers paradise that has been created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I will repeat my story for educational purposes - I sold INCOMPLETE magazine "parts" to a guy in CA . He got busted for drugs or something, cops went through his stuff, found guns and complete illegal mags. went through his computer, found emails to me ( among others I am sure) . CA DOJ sends me a letter, wants to charge me with illegally shipping hi cap mags to CA, AND wants me to come out there to be "interviewed". Yea, right. Lawyer provides an interface with them and we show the them the emails, the add, the picture of the magazine parts, etc. finally after six months they decide not to proceed. So, I made like $20 on the mag parts. Lawyer cost me like several thousand. you do the math. Move out of the communist state , work to vote them out, or live with the workers paradise that has been created.although you were hassled, the law did exactly what it was designed to do, that is give the police a tool to use against the drug offenders. California seem to view drugs as a disability and by adding Magazine offenses the DA can get longer terms at sentencing. California is a strange situation, we have many international ports, a international border and millions of illegals, some of which are in the drug trade, not to mention the citizens who are too. I have yet not heard of a law abiding person being hassled in the state over "high Cap magazines". MG08 you were hassle for the sole purpose to get you to be more cautious in you sales. Selling High Cap magazines is an infraction or a misdemeanor and can only be prosecuted solely if committed in presence of a Calif peace officer, not bey emails alone. Could of got you on Conspiracy, but that would have been extremely hard to prove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 dont disagree with any of your legal analysis, but selling some magazine springs and followers is also clearly within legal guidelines. the buyer is the person who assembled them, and broke whatever laws were cited ... The issue is, IF you sell / send stuff to CA, you run the risk of being prosecuted for actions not your own, under laws we clearly do not understand the ramifications of - just say'in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) Assuming one agrees with the (currently) minority view of the Supreme Court regarding the 2nd Amendment, firearms laws supposedly intended to aid drug convictions are too often aimed at the law abiding, and are used only to add to the arrest record of the official. An acquaintance living in New York State has maintained a carry permit for many years. When Bloomie got magazine capacity reduced to 8 rounds, he dutifully downloaded his already restricted ten round mags to 8 (If he lived in a free state, he would be carrying 17). He was stopped (for a non-functioning headlight) by a trooper. The trooper sees on his screen that the guy has a carry permit, and has him out of the car, spread on the hood. He takes the mag out of his gun, and both his extra mags out of his belt pouch, and thumbs out all the rounds, counting them. If there had been one extra round in any mag, this guy would have gone directly to jail, lost his permit, and the gun. As far as owning a Thompson in NY, -he just laughs, sort of. Edited May 18, 2016 by mnshooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Mnshooter, I think your friend ran into an over zealous trooper, but even just carrying 8 rds in a 10 rd mag would of been a violation. Yet I know no police offer who would of made a issue of it, but I am sure there are quite a few. Which I personally do not understand.MG08- there was an article in Shotgun News a few years back, where the Calif AG sent letters to surrounding states stating that sellers in those states, if they violate Calif law on Magazines they will be prosecuted, also on bullet buttons and every other stupid law. They even know there is no way of getting a conviction. Sometimes I think it is just another way of keeping their Brother lawyers with jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Not a lawyer here, but where does full faith and credit clause come to play here? California is free to enslave its citizens that are willing to stay there, but not those beyond its borders. MG08 did nothing wrong. He should be reimbursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Not a lawyer here, but where does full faith and credit clause come to play here? California is free to enslave its citizens that are willing to stay there, but not those beyond its borders. MG08 did nothing wrong. He should be reimbursed.believe that is an "English Law " thing where you are expect to defend yourself, they can provide a public defender, but he would of been required to come here, it costed him but he did the right thing, a PD would of have him plea bargain. BTW, I agree the criminal courts should not be allowed to ruin a person financial worth, expenses should be reimbursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Spent two weeks in a county jail awaiting a circuit judge to show up in northwestern NY in early 1970s. My old truck was reported to the NYSP by a toll operator on I90. Claimed I had a broken windshield, but it was because I had CO plates and Rockefeller's recent one year to life for one joint was in force and anyone out of state was fair game. Trooper asked to look in the glove compartment, which he was legally entitled to do. Out came a moldy old partial box of .22 shorts that had been in there for ten years. A nonresident was prohibited from possessing any type of bullet, cartridge, she'll, etc, etc. Off to jail. I was moving into up state NY at that time and had $900 with me. The judge took $875, the troopers ripped up my truck looking for that one joint, ransacked my belongings and generally shredded everything they could and then kicked me out of the county after the"trial". I lasted a few months in the sate and left. Fascistland! Same for CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 How did that cracked windshield not show up on your background check? Reagan changed that thankfully, but it does not stop them from harassing law abiding citizens any way. I hear of things like that going on even today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Come on now, admit it, that happens in every state of the Union Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 Come on now, admit it, that happens in every state of the UnionSadly it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 It is what happens when you give one person power over another. You see it with siblings, parents, relatives, at church, work, government, the playground, even with kids sports teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLansky Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I agree with mg08. we and most dealers we know won't sell anything to anyone in California or from California when they try to buy face to face in Arizona. that is the safest practice. no amount of profit is worth the grief. we used to provide the guns for the TV show top shot. it took months to get the registered with the DOJ and get the permits. when it was time to renew the permits for the next season, there were delays after delays and we could not get the renewal in place in time for the next seasons shooting. if you are from California and don't like that I won't sell to you, either move to a different state or work to change the laws in your state. don't blame me. I am business man. it is my choice with whom to do business, just like it is your choice to choose where you live. we will each bear the consequences of our decisions. Sure, I will lose a few sales, but all of those sales would get wiped out by the cost of one interaction with California authorities. life is way too short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin601 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) That is your right, it's a free country, yes even California. There are plenty others dealers that offer great prices who are willing to do business in California or with people from California. There is a lot of history to our laws, some founded some unfounded. Some caused by states such as Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon dumping mental patients and illegals in our state, that has caused us the restrictive gun sales. Some of our laws, such as the trigger test has been caused by defective guns sold in the state. No big loss, most of the dealers I have dealt with have been all to happy for the business, even from California, and Stores in California have been happy to handle the transfers Edited May 18, 2016 by Paladin601 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjarheadfart Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I just read today over at AK Files, that California passed a whole slew of anti gun bills, including outlawing ak's with bullrt buttons. I wouldn't travel within a hundred miles of that state now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 That is so the criminals have a safe working environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnshooter Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I just read today over at AK Files, that California passed a whole slew of anti gun bills, including outlawing ak's with bullrt buttons. I wouldn't travel within a hundred miles of that state now.Too close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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