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#1 Grasshopper

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Posted 25 August 2019 - 05:21 PM

Hi All,

 

Things that make you scratch your head.

 

I received a Form 5320.20 from BATF in a timely 3 weeks!  Disapproved.  The examiner used the reason "Proof of ownership needed."  Errrr, Ummmmm, it is registered to me by BATF!

 

Ok.  I'm staring at my approved Form 4 in one hand and the 5320.20 in the other.  S/N's match.  Manufacturer matches, lengths, and caliber.  Assuming I'm not missing anything, does anyone have any thoughts on how to proceed?

 

In the past I've been told that I no longer owned a firearm due to it being transferred 6 months earlier (it was resting in the safe).  On that one they emailed me and exchanged information and hopefully that was sorted out.  On this form it only states "Disapproved" (big red letters) with the above reason.

 

I'm going for some quality time on the phone Monday, after lunch. 

 

Anyone else have this happen?  What was the resolution?

 

Sincerely,

 

Grasshopper

 

ps.  I've been told by some to do a 5320.20 on everything you might want to carry out of state in a natural disaster.  The secondary reason is to verify that BATF has your paperwork in order.


Edited by Grasshopper, 25 August 2019 - 10:51 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 09:43 AM

The term "ownership" needs some clarification when used by ATF simply because they have no authority over "ownership". That term involves the legal transfer of property, so I very am curious why ATF regards property issues as part of their jurisdiction. One can still be the registrant of an NFA item but not be the legal owner. Very odd.
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Posted 26 August 2019 - 11:45 AM

They prob'ly misfiled thier copy . I sold my FA BAR and they sent me a letter that it was still registered to the shop that repaired it years ealier . I sent them a copy of the approved paperwork and the went ahead with the transfer . Not a big deal .

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 12:58 PM

So I guess the ATF has not completed moving everything into a computer database? How many years have they been working on that project? .....^%(*^ govies!


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 01:06 PM

If they lost the paper the day before they started , it could be decades before something occurs to cause for them to look for it . We can only hope it's not because we've lost our copies .

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#6 BillyDixon

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Posted 26 August 2019 - 01:08 PM

how many m.g.s registered in 1934 are still registered to original owner ? just wondering


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 03:35 PM

how many m.g.s registered in 1934 are still registered to original owner ? just wondering

That is an interesting question. Or how many registered owners are >100 years old?


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 04:09 PM

Had something similar last month, phone call cleared it up, no big deal.


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Posted 26 August 2019 - 06:20 PM

A substantial number of people register firearms in the name of a trust, LLC, or Corporation then when submitting the 5320.20 use their own name - which leads the proof of registration request because only the registrant can get permission to move or transfer.  If that is not the case, you could send a copy of your registration back - that should turn a light on somewhere.


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Posted 29 August 2019 - 07:06 PM

I received a Form 5320.20 from BATF in a timely 3 weeks!  

 

ps.  I've been told by some to do a 5320.20 on everything you might want to carry out of state in a natural disaster.  

 

Hum, with a hurricane bearing down on us now, and a lot of uncertainty on exactly where it's going in Florida, and only a couple of days before it hits, I guess all you can do is stay in Florida and try and dodge the hurricane with your registered guns in your vehicle (assuming it looks like you're going to be directly hit and you're on the coast).

 

Maybe a better plan is to hunker down and keep your Thompson in your safe room as a last resort to counter the looters.  I recall a board member in Houston had an issue with flooding a year or two ago with a hurricane.  Interesting questions.

 

How long is the 5320.20 valid, not that you would necessarily know where to go in any given hurricane.


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 09:59 AM

 

How long is the 5320.20 valid, not that you would necessarily know where to go in any given hurricane.


It's valid for as long as you indicate with the start through end date when you file the 5320.20, which can be up to 1 calendar year from your initial starting date.
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