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New Zealand sure was quick to give in to a terrorist:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/new-zealand-bans-military-assault-rifles-after-massacre/3230544002/

 

I wonder what will happen to the Thompsons and other full automatics there?

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I read that hunters and farmers will be exempted from the ban. That should allow most to keep their guns. The Kiwis have always been able to own mil surplus black rifles so long as the sear is removed, just like in some European countries.
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Fellas

 

Nothing

 

New Zealand sure was quick to give in to a terrorist:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/20/new-zealand-bans-military-assault-rifles-after-massacre/3230544002/

 

I wonder what will happen to the Thompsons and other full automatics there?

 

Nothing has been Banned

 

What's been done is the New Zealand Police have reclassified certain Class A guns as E class meaning you now need a special E class license and have to register them up

As usual the press consistently lies about everything

Those who own full autos under a C class license and those that own MSSA, {assault rifles} under the E class license are not being stripped of them at this point

 

Loads of semis are not effected

.22 rim fire is exempted

Guns with fixed mags are exempted

 

Could this change in Parliament ?

Of course it might

 

He is what the New Zealand Police are saying:

 

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/changes-firearms?nondesktop=&fbclid=IwAR07olNfVgFQCTGyCg4bTRbwiiG9QNjD_WybTJ9XwIb7cQKvO0xY0OLX75g

 

they explain the changes further here:

 

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0056/latest/LMS173711.html?search=ad_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg__arms____25_ac%40bc%40rc%40dc%40apub%40aloc%40apri%40apro%40aimp%40bgov%40bloc%40bpri%40bmem%40rpub%40rimp_ac%40bc%40rc%40ainf%40anif%40bcur%40rinf%40rnif%40raif_a_aw_se&p=1

 

Note very carefully Kiwis in possession have the options of turning them in, selling them, etc. The main point is that affected guns now must be registered under E class regulations

who would they be sold to then ?

Well the properly licensed Dealer or the holder of a C or E class license

 

Right now Gun guys online are going serious Chicken Little over all this

I do endeavor to refrain from being part of any echo chamber

As it stands I have a fair number of friends in the South Island, I have even imported from Tipple at Gun City in Christchurch where the nutter bought his guns off their website

like Canada you can have many guns shipped right to your door

 

People really don't understand how things work outside of America

In New Zealand for example ALL firearms were registered up into the 1980s, semi auto handguns were flat prohibited.

Think it was like 1984 ? when the laws were drastically reformed

interestingly prior to the reforms a STEN or Mp28 was viewed as a long gun. You could not own a Browning High Power but a full auto Lanchester was AOkay

 

Canada was weird too up into the 1970s. MGs were regulated the same as any handgun

After that the Canucks created a Prohibited class which included full auto and handguns with barrels under I believe 4"

There are a significant numbers of registered MGs in NZ. The queer angle is that it is unlawful to actually shoot them except at certain events and then only with blanks. Believe that started with the 80s reforms.

still plenty of folks running their guns unlawfully. Remember there is absolutely no regulation on suppressors in NZ. An interesting point is nutters guns were unmoderated

 

Anyways formerly exempt AR knock offs with thumbhole stocks have now been regulated as MSSAs, same with semi magazine fed shotguns like Saigas and those were not even used at Christchurch.

The MSSA nonsense came about in the 90s, seem to recall much of that was blamed on America's push to ban AWs after Clinton's election

Kiwis did it in 92 creating E category license, the guns were still imported but just under registration to end user. America though banned new AWs but no registration

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Unfortunately buried a little deeper in the story is the fact that shorty they will be revisiting the rules as to who/how you qualify for an E license. In a particular country I know of in the EU, licenses were granted rather freely for a long time. One day they decided to stop issuing licenses to new applicants. Slowly the now aging licensees' are dying/ giving up their licenses and in a relatively short time 2-3 decades there will effectively be a ban since no one will have a license.

 

It should be assumed a full ban on firearms in NZ is imminent. Same goes for parts of the US. The only comment I haven't heard publicly from the NZ PM is "never let a good crisis go to waste". My guess is if you checked her emails/ appointments you'd see some prominent socialists from the US offering up "anything that is needed to make this ban happen". I'm sure there will be some public appearances by US socialists and $250K speeches coming as well?

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Nonsense.

 

She runs a coalition government

 

In 2016 Conservatives swept the elections

By definition, there is no such thing as conservatives in government. You cannot take money from the masses in the form of a government salary and proclaim you are fiscally or morally conservative. People are first and foremost loyal to the paycheck, otherwise they would be somewhere else. Government employees are loyal to the government of which they all wish to increase the size and scope of, ultimately for financial gain.

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what guns were used in the shooting?

 

A pair of class A thumbhole stocked AR clones and two shotguns

both shoty's were tube fed, one was clearly a pumper

Thanks Jim,Could not find that, and Canterbury PD was uncooperative because the case was before the High Court

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The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns??

 

Well there are TWO distinct things in play

 

The first is that the New Zealand Police have changed the status of certain guns

The second though is what COULD occur next month when Parliament is seated again

 

This is the potential ban babbled about

How far that indeed goes is anyone's guess

Some are demanding a full scale Australia ban and buy up

Some are even more wacko nuts than all that demanding Total Disarmament.

 

I don't see either happening

Just a bridge way too far

I am certain some changes are coming down the pike however C & E class licenses are already rather restrictive

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The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns??

Well there are TWO distinct things in play

 

The first is that the New Zealand Police have changed the status of certain guns

The second though is what COULD occur next month when Parliament is seated again

 

This is the potential ban babbled about

How far that indeed goes is anyone's guess

Some are demanding a full scale Australia ban and buy up

Some are even more wacko nuts than all that demanding Total Disarmament.

 

I don't see either happening

Just a bridge way too far

I am certain some changes are coming down the pike however C & E class licenses are already rather restrictive

Lets see what actually happens but the PM made herself very clear imo when she outlined the ban and buy back program also the cost associated with it.

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The police articles are confusing imo. One sentence talks about reclassification and exemption for the .22s and another section says the gov is planning on banning all semi auto MSSA guns??

Well there are TWO distinct things in play

 

The first is that the New Zealand Police have changed the status of certain guns

The second though is what COULD occur next month when Parliament is seated again

 

This is the potential ban babbled about

How far that indeed goes is anyone's guess

Some are demanding a full scale Australia ban and buy up

Some are even more wacko nuts than all that demanding Total Disarmament.

 

I don't see either happening

Just a bridge way too far

I am certain some changes are coming down the pike however C & E class licenses are already rather restrictive

Lets see what actually happens but the PM made herself very clear imo when she outlined the ban and buy back program also the cost associated with it.

 

Well so did Obama after Sandy Hook and he had a Congress he mostly controlled

 

I have been chatting with some of my folks there

Basically even most Gun People agree some changes are due, mostly over work around butt hole guns that are admittedly mostly the same as E class restricted MSSAs

Their solution is to just do what's being done, slide those guns into E licensure.

Nothing needs to be banned outright.

 

Truth is that is where the mindset of many Kiwis is at as well

The view is that a non citizen from Australia came here and took advantage of our system to make us more like the government he fled

while NZ & Aus are very tight partners there has always been pissing matches between those colonials over policy matters

 

I have been in some heated debates regarding this situation

mostly with internet Gun folk who have no clue about poop outside America

we have an incredible weapons culture here

heck contrast America with the UK and knives

then if you go across the North Sea Men carry some serious nasty blades in rural areas...as a tool

try to tell Laps in northern Norway they can't carry a blade

rural Finns, same deal

UK ?

national campaign to "Bin the Blade"

 

right now all the pols are taking a turn behind the podium

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