JTinIN Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Jist finishing up cleaning / lubing a few M16 uppers and a couple subguns, was thinking what everyone uses for lube on their TSMG? Wondering if something a little heavier than CLP or Ballistioil (*sp?) is appropate (I tend to use either on the modern guns ... in part as called for in HK Tech Manual ... plus use a little heavier 20mm cannon oil with the CLP on the high pressure / moving parts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1930sRust Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Clenzoil from Cutts to butt plate, inside and out, wood and metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crow Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Marksmans Choice and good ole Hoppe's oil..... But if I can find some locally I want to give Clenzoil a shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper28 Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 I agree, Clenzoil is hard to beat also has a unofensive smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Is Clenzoil heavier than the milky oil used by the military on M-16s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Everyone will wade in on this one! GI gun grease in the 1 lb. can. I clean with Hoppe's #9 because of the corrosive ammo I'm fond of using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Virginian Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Hoppes Number 9 is a good follow up for corrosive ammo, AFTER you have cleaned properly for corrosive ammo. Unless you use either hot soapy water or a blackpowder cleaner to get rid of the potassium clorate salts, all hoppes #9 will do is cover up the corrosive salts and the problem is still there. This can lead to corrosion even if the bore is oiled as the salts are still in the barrel which are hydroscopic in nature that will pull even the slightest humidity in the air to it, to start the corrosion process. My routine for cleaning corrosive ammo out of any gun: 1. Scrub with a copper wire brush, the bore, exposed surfaces, disassembled magazines and the compensator with hot soapy water (Dawn dishwashing soap) 2. Rinse with very hot water and dry with a hairdryer. 3. Clean the bore with GI bore cleaner and swab dry 4. Clean the bore and other areas with Shooter's Choice and dry with clean patches, in the action blow out with gunscrubber. 5. Re-oil all parts with CLP and light grease on the bolt. This way you will never get any corrosion when using corrosive ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNKen Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Homebrew--one part Castrol synthetic 5w-30w, one part Slick 50. Works well. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTinIN Posted September 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Thanks for inputs for everyone so far. This is starting to look interesting, looking foward to the thread when get back from shooting (sorry to say not the M1 as my SOT could not make the shoot ... nor anyone else with a TSMG). For general cleaning still like Hoppies #9 (Shooters Choice if primary the bore of bolt guns) followed by large amounts of solvent to flush (mineral spirts by the gallon or gunscrubber/NAPA brake cleaner (same chemical if you pick the correct brake cleaner at quarter the price). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 On the M1 bolt and receiver - Colt T-6 grease (designed for slides of vertical holstered semi-auto pistols so sticks nicely). Various (whatever around - Rem oil, Triflon, etc.) oils elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21 smoker Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Hoppes #9 has a wonderful smell that always brings you back to that long ago hunt with you favorite dog, buddy,father ,son....it`s amazing how that works...even after I use the ultrasonic cleaner and the gun comes out surgically clean, I still have to run some Hoppes #9 thru it and then lube it up with various lubricants depending on the gun. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDG Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 I use the old GI grease, Lubriplate and it seems to work great. I used to use Hoppe's oil on everything until I bought the Thompson. I don't like the way the oil flies when I'm on full auto with my Thompson so I tried using the grease and it seems to stick much better so I use it on all of my rifles now instead of buying different lubes. I use Breakfree on the Cutts to help keep down the build-up and it does a decent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwilly2002 Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 I use the GI grease on internal working parts as well. GI oil on all external surfaces. would lik to hear from PK on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksnest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Use your favorite and clean until your patch is spotless - then run a patched soaked with clenzoil thru the bore and watch what comes out - a black filthy patch. Try it once and you will never regret it. C.L.P. (Cleaner, Lubricant, Protector). My .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglewalk Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/tongue.gif Yeah 21 smoker Hoppe's scent is like a-la-perfume to me, together with burning hay, gun-powder smoke and diesel smoke http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ... I carry a 50/50 mix of alcohol & ammonia to the range, and while the barrel is still warm, clean with this solution first, then with all other regular bore cleaners, ie, after shooting WWII 45 surplus...... http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif I constantly shoot old mil/surp in my 98ks, and treat them the same for cleaning............jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hammer Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 I use Clenzoil for lube, as far as cleaning I am thinking of ordering some WIPE-OUT , which may have been mentioned here earlier. As a cleaner, nothing else is supposed to come close as it removes powder, lead fouling, carbon, molybdenum all without harming the metal. I am tired of running 30 patches through my Thompson barrel with conventional cleaners and still not getting it perfectly clean. I would like to hear from anyone who has tried this product and what they think of it? http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Mike Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimFromFL Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Tetra Gun Lub and/or Nyoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTinIN Posted September 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 This year on the rifles, have been also flushing the bore with solvent after bushing with Hoppies #9 or Shooter's choice. Works a lot better than a dozen patches (have to oil again and/or put down another layer of Hoppies #9). Like the grease on teh bolt, will have to check the tech manual (when I get it) and see what is listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 I've used military CLP in my subguns for years....very little visible wear and lotsa corrosive GI ammo with no pitting or rust ever. BUT with all you folks using Clenzoil, I'll have to give it a try. Does it taste better than CLP??? (I don't know about the rest of you but I always overoil and the 28 pumps it out the buffer pilot hole in a fine mist for the first 60 rounds or so....Breakfree tastes AWFUL!!!) http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif I don't know if I'm better off overoiling or should maybe cut back a bit?? john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merry Ploughboy Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Mike Hammer, I could not tell the difference between Wipe-Out and M-Pro 7. Others may have differing experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksnest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 John: Clean it with CLP until the patch thru the bore is spotless then run a patch soaked with Clenzoil thru it and post the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTinIN Posted September 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 QUOTE (hawksnest @ Sep 13 2004, 08:48 PM) John: Clean it with CLP until the patch thru the bore is spotless then run a patch soaked with Clenzoil thru it and post the results. While I like the CLP for emergency field cleaning (at lot of dirty guns, will start running ok with a few shots from the CLP spray can kept in the tool bag), for cleaning at home I like the standards Hoppies #9 (Shooter's Choice for over 2000 fps fire arms) and then flush with lots of solvent. Will have to get a container of Clenzoil to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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