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#1 CptCurl

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Posted 15 March 2021 - 05:18 PM

This listing is posted with David’s consent.
 
For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835.
 
I am offering for sale my Colt Model 1921 AC, s/n 6835. 
 
I have been the proud owner of #6835 since May 25, 2011.  During my ownership it has been well loved and cared for and has been fired about 2,500 to 3,000 rounds over several occasions.  I took it to Tracie Hill’s TATA gathering August 3-4, 2012, so many of you have seen the gun.
 
Tracie Hill’s reference book shows that #6835 dates to October 1921.  It was sold to the Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan Police Department by E.E. Richardson.  “Sold Only to Those on the Side of Law and Order!”
 
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So here it is.  All of the photographs displayed here are current, taken March 15, 2021 in natural light outside.
 
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The FBI case is not original.  It is a very nice and well-constructed reproduction.
 
This weapon remains complete and in excellent condition.  All original Colt parts are present.  All parts exhibit original finish.
 
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Along the way I gathered up a lot of accessories and spare parts.  All will be itemized in this listing, and all are included in my offering.
 
Included in the sale:
 
Colt #6835
All original Colt ’21 parts
Walnut display stand (which I made)
Repro FBI case
PK ’21 parts
’28 parts
2 – spare GI extractors, new and unused
1 – spare GI firing pin, with spring, new and unused
1 – spare Savage Blish lock, new and unused (that makes 3 total)
2 – “L” Drums (one very rare)
1 – “C” Drum
9 – 30 round sticks
5 – 20 round sticks
Remnants of Russian parts kit, including full GI stock set, extra oiler, various small parts and springs
PK lower disassembly tool – used once
 
 
 
 
 
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The foregoing photos should give a pretty good idea of what the gun looks like on the outside.  Inside it shows virtually no wear.  The bore is bright and shiny, with no pitting, corrosion, bulges, or dark spots. 
 
Now let me address the various parts and accessories.
 
First off, the irreplaceable Colt internal parts are mostly tucked away for safe keeping.  Here's where they have been for the last ten years:
 
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So, what's in the box?
 
 
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There are three sets of fire control parts.  In the gun, right now, as photographed above, I have Paul Krough's (PK) set of custom hybrid '21 parts, consisting of a '28 actuator (knurled) cut down to '21 dimensions, and his hybrid buffer and spring.  That's the way I like to shoot the gun - nice and smooth '21 speed.
 
Of course, you get the original '21 parts shown above.  I never have fired the gun with those parts installed.
 
But also, you get a set of '28 parts if you want to shoot it in '28 configuration.  The '28 parts consist of a brand new '28 actuator (knurled) and GI guide and spring.  Here they are:
 
 
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Also included is a NOS Blish lock and two NOS extractors.
 
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But that's not all!  Magazines are included.
 
 
First some drums.  I have personally greased all my drums.
 
The first is a Colt era "L" drum, and it's a really rare bird.  It's a Stanley Works Co. "NO. number drum".  Please refer to pages 559-560 of Tracie Hill's, The Ultimate Thompson Book.
 
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This rare drum is almost like new.  You can be the first on your block to own one. 
 
 
 
 The next is a Numrich "L" drum.  It's the drum I normally use.  It runs perfectly.
 
 
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And then there's the big whopper.  This is a Kahr "C" drum.  I've only run it a couple of times, but it runs perfectly and has been greased.  Some years ago I posted a thread on this forum in which I explained the tinkering I did to make this drum run.
 
 
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What about sticks?  Yes, there are sticks!
 
The deal includes five "XX" sticks; three Auto Ordnance, and two Seymour.
 
 
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And there are nine "XXX" sticks.  Five Crosby and four Seymour.
 
 
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Finally, there's a bag of left-over small parts from the Russian parts kit.  And don't forget the wonderful lower (frame) disassembly tool from PK.  It keeps you from scratching your lower when you flex the pivot plate.
 
 
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This gun is on a Form 4 in Virginia.  It is fully transferable and C&R eligible.
 
All the above goes to the first buyer willing to pay $47,500.00.  In addition, the buyer pays the ATF transfer tax and the actual cost incurred for any shipping or delivery charges.  Transfer paperwork will commence upon full payment of the price.
 
I will be glad to provide any other information or photography within reason.  I also will be glad to show the gun to anybody who wants to travel to see it.
 
Contact me by email at:  stephens@cfw.com
 
Curl

Edited by CptCurl, 20 March 2021 - 10:25 AM.

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#2 Robert Henley

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Posted 15 March 2021 - 06:32 PM

That's a hell of a nice gun and accessories.  Someone will be very lucky to own it.

 

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 07:47 AM

WOW! Very nice.

 

I did not remember that you owned this until now, and I have a "sister" Grosse Pointe Shores PD gun - #7483. 

 

Do you have any GPSPD history with your gun? As of now, GPSPD has not responded to my several calls and a few in person visits. They have merged departments with another local jurisdiction since they owned these guns.

 

Have you done a FOIA on the gun?

 

All very interesting!


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Posted 16 March 2021 - 08:39 AM

I know that this is your sale page of a majorly beautiful Thompson.. but I was wondering how does that disassembly tool from PK work?


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Posted 16 March 2021 - 09:22 AM

I know that this is your sale page of a majorly beautiful Thompson.. but I was wondering how does that disassembly tool from PK work?

It is used to remove the fire select and safety levers without scratching the finish on the grip frame and pivot plate.  You depress the pivot plate arms to remove these parts, then remove the pivot plate for complete disassembly of the grip frame.


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Posted 16 March 2021 - 09:51 AM

A little follow-up here, and some answers to questions.

 

 

First, PK's hybrid '21 guts.  In my post yesterday I mentioned these are the guts currently in the gun and the ones I generally use.  This morning I decided to tear the gun down and swab its bore before putting it back in the safe.  That gave me the opportunity to photograph PK's '21 guts.

 

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HIs '21 setup consists of spring and a hybrid spring guide.  The hybrid guide is one piece and uses a '28 buffer pad instead of the two piece arrangement with internal buffer pads of the original '21 design.

 

PK cuts down an original '28 actuator (supplied by the owner, me) to '21 dimensions, for use instead of the precious Colt '21 actuator.

 

Being ethical and honest, PK stamps his cut down actuator with an "S" (it was a Savage actuator) so it can't be passed off as original Colt.

 

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All this is used with a bright GI bolt.

 

So this supplements my post from yesterday by showing the substitute '21 firing parts included.

 

 

Now let me answer a couple of questions.

 

I know that this is your sale page of a majorly beautiful Thompson.. but I was wondering how does that disassembly tool from PK work?
 
I see gijive has beat me to the punch.  That's appropriate, because I learned to disassemble a TSMG lower frame while sitting at his knee in Ohio many moons ago.
 
To further explain, here are some photos I just snapped this morning.
 
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Here you see my Colt lower frame and PK's tool.  To disassemble the frame you must spread the spring extensions of the pivot plate to get them off the ends of the safety and fire selection levers.  The tool is used for that purpose so you don't scratch up your frame.  Unfortunately, you will see a lot of Thompsons scratched up by the use of a wide screwdriver instead of a tool like this one.
 
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The tool is first inserted between the spring arms to relieve the spring from the head of the safety lever (photo above).  While twisting the tool counter clockwise, you push the shaft of the safety lever toward the frame, so the safety can be withdrawn from the opposite (left) side of the frame.
 
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Next, you do a similar operation in regard to the fire control lever (photo above).  Then you can slide the pivot plate and its two pins out the right side of the frame to complete the disassembly.
 
In the end, you are able to disassemble the frame without damage.  For re-assembly you perform the opposite tasks.
 
This allows you to install the relatively inexpensive GI parts into your lower frame and fire away without fear of ruining a precious Colt part.
 
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Now, don't look at this photo and say my Colt is bogus!  Yesterday I showed you the original Colt parts I put into safe keeping.
 
Again, I thank gijive for the knowledge and information I have just passed along.
 
 
 

WOW! Very nice.
 
I did not remember that you owned this until now, and I have a "sister" Grosse Pointe Shores PD gun - #7483. 
 
Do you have any GPSPD history with your gun? As of now, GPSPD has not responded to my several calls and a few in person visits. They have merged departments with another local jurisdiction since they owned these guns.
 
Have you done a FOIA on the gun?
 
All very interesting!

 

 

Mike, thanks for your kind comments.  Years ago I sent an email to the sheriff of Grosse Pointe Shores.  No reply.  I have not put in a FOIA request.

 

Best to all,

Roscoe

"CptCurl"


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Posted 16 March 2021 - 10:10 AM

By the way, everybody probably knows this, but I will mention you can click on any of my photos to get big ones.

 

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 03:57 PM

That looks like a nice honest unmessed with Colt. that would make a good shooter for somebody that had a mint new example they never wanted to mess with.so this would be the perfect one. with all the extras they don't need to buy >one stop shop.<

 

is it all worth that price?  what is a happy face worth? you can watch Dillinger on the big screen sitting in your lounger with it on your lap. pull the actuator back when a buddy comes over for coffee and say listen to these smooth sounds. 

maybe better then jazz right now.Or go to the range and put a 100 rounds thru the drum and and be satisfied that you finally arrived.

Like the first Vette. first Harley first prom Queen.

 

AND first Thompson smile.Like many that started decades ago looking for the one to buy.Its looks great you can handle it.

R.K.

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 05:14 PM

Curl,

 

I remember sitting at Tracie's with you going through the disassembly of the grip frame.  I had forgotten what a nice original gun you have.  Good luck with the sale and love that Stanley drum!


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Posted 17 March 2021 - 10:39 AM

Thank you gijive and CptCurl for the explanation. That's a good tool.

 

This sale post is pretty awesome. Everyday learning something new.


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Posted 18 March 2021 - 11:53 AM

Curl's Colt 6835 has an excellent representation of the "halo" effect on the JHB final inspection stamp indicating 1921/22 production Colt factory finish.

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Posted 18 March 2021 - 02:52 PM

Is that the famous ?"HALO ANGEL"

The mark of a true original


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Posted 18 March 2021 - 04:37 PM

Is that the famous ?"HALO ANGEL"

The mark of a true original

 

Ron,

Inspired by Todd Rundgren's "Halo It's Me."


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Posted 18 March 2021 - 07:00 PM

And Lindsey Buckingham "Go Insane" is pretty good also. both versions..

 

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Posted 19 March 2021 - 10:31 AM

Wow - very nice collection - kudos for putting it togther!


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Posted 31 March 2021 - 09:33 PM

Still for sale!


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Posted 03 April 2021 - 08:00 AM

A member asked a question about the original Colt bolt, Blish, and actuator.  I had photographed them together (see above).  Here are five crappy photos I just snapped to add to this thread.  Different lighting, different camera, etc. etc.
 
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I can assure that these are original Colt parts that came with my Thompson.  They will stand up to any scrutiny.  Granted, they aren't depicted very well.

 

Curl
 


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Posted 10 April 2021 - 08:15 PM

Still available!


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