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#1 StrangeRanger

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 07:24 AM

https://www.gunbroke.../item/881232905

A Lanchester tube gun (Wilson) went for $16K.  I quit long before that point.  Is this a realistic price or were the two final bidders trying to prove who was the Alpha?


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#2 TSMGguy

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 07:30 AM

Realistic price? I'd say so, since it sold. We're seeing a classic inflationary spiral in the NFA market: too much money chasing too few goods. 


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 11:18 AM

Most likely they missed that it was a tube gun...


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 11:45 AM

Well done Haris! My original pre-sample sold for 10k not too long ago, MG prices seem to be trending back up.
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Posted 26 October 2020 - 11:49 AM

I like how the seller even put in that it was a tube gun a couple hours before the auction closed. There have been several stupid money auctions lately.
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Posted 26 October 2020 - 12:33 PM

I thought it was original when I read the initial auction text.  It wasn't until I looked through the pictures that I could see it was a tube gun.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 02:04 PM

There was no chicanery here.  Haris put the Wilson tube gun clarification in 2 weeks before the auction closed just after I emailed him and pointed out the omission.  I was the high bid at the time so anyone who bid previous to the update was protected from a misunderstanding.

 

My last bid was $10.7k; I was prepared to go as high as $12K but the auction passed that point before I could jump back in.  There were two bidders at the end who drove it up from $11.2k to $16k.  I was curious as to whether the price of a tube gun had actually increased that much or whether it was a case of "red mist" and ego overriding reality.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 05:18 PM

Wilson didnt make Lanchester tubes. I had this guns twin and struggled to sell it at $11.5. Hariss gun was much nicer looking. Congrats on the sale. Ive seen originals sell at $10,000-12,000. Mwt had one at $10,000 that sold in a day
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Posted 26 October 2020 - 05:27 PM

The tube is clearly marked:

 

WILSON ARMS CO.

BRUNSWICK GA.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 05:40 PM

Yes it is. What tube is it ? For what gun? What does the form 4 say? Hint- Its not Lanchester ;)
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Posted 26 October 2020 - 05:48 PM

Haven't seen the Form 4 but the S/N on the tube exactly matches the S/N on the brass mag housing so the tube was obviously mated to THAT parts kit from day one


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 07:03 PM

Serial number on brass mag well is added to match tube

Edited by huggytree, 26 October 2020 - 07:04 PM.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 08:30 PM

rather stunning really.  I have sten tubes and lanchester kits with original stocks, not replacements.  I gotta start shakin some of these money trees?  I'd even go so far as to put a proper finish on them?  They say alcohol consumption is way up, I guess I see the results?   I guess the thinking is if it's on a form 3 some guys can get it before the riots start?  That must be what's driving the prices?  Got a C+R tube  a couple weeks ago for about 1/3 that price? 


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:30 PM

I have an original C&R Lanchester here to sell on consignment.  I have just started looking at pricing - Guess I will need to re-evaluate.....


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 02:29 PM

I say dumb and affluent bidders. That's, more or less, a Wilson STEN tube modified to work with a Lanchester parts set. $10,000 tops in a normal market.


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 03:56 AM

I have an original C&R Lanchester here to sell on consignment.  I have just started looking at pricing - Guess I will need to re-evaluate.....


Which model of LANCHESTER do you have to sell?
Is it and early gun (semi-auto & F/A setting, adjustable rear sight) or late (F/A only and flip rear sight).
Some early guns had the selector removed.
Those guns served in the Royal Navy for a very long time!
I remember seeing one in the hands of R-N sailors escorting Argentine prisoners during the Falklands war!

Richard
 


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Posted 30 October 2020 - 05:09 PM

Article on using Sten tubes to make Lanchesters... 

 

https://www.smallarm...idarticles=1409

 

 

BTW

As I recall the MK1 was select-fire, the MK1* full auto-only.

I had a C&R Lanchester with adjustable rear sight, full-auto only housing marked  MK1 *

No sign of ever having a selector, which were located on the front of the trigger guard. 

 

Heavy, but nice shooting subgun that can use cheap Sten mags...as part of thinning the herd I sold it : - (


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Posted 16 November 2020 - 05:42 PM

The Lanchester shown was a Mk1*. The mag housing has been completely scrubbed as there should be numerous other marks there such as acceptance marks etc. Also, the serial should be stamped, if it were once a Mk1, it would have been marked Mk.1 and not MK.1. (No the the lower case k). The trigger housing was never machined for the change lever as the hole isnt there. The trigger components themselves are mk1* which are different to the Mk1. The rear site shows signs of having been previously welded to the tube which a Mk1 would not.

The Lanchester time line is probably one of the most complicated of all British Machine Guns.

Mk1 - Steel magazine housing marked LANCHESTER MACHINE CARBINE MARK 1. Rear site is range adjustable and screwed to body. Trigger housing has a hole for the selector knob and is screwed to body. Serial number hand stamped with no prefix. An A suffix was added if modified to Mk1* to indicate non standard parts fitted (Mk1* being the standard). Barrel with front locking screw. No more than the first 200 were made this way.

Mk1 - Gun metal mag housing marked LANCHESTER Mk.1
Everything else as per above. No more than a few hundred made this way.

Mk1* - We all know the standard Mk1* so I wont explain that one but any supposed Mk1 Lanchester with a serial number beginning SA, H, or any other letter/s or a number longer than 3 digits was only ever a Mk1* despite what parts are fitted to it.

Early on the Mk1 became obsolete (within about 3 to 400 guns) but there were thousands of Mk1 parts already made awaiting assembly so they simply used them up and marked the bodies with a A suffix to the serial number to indicate non standard parts. Even the auto trigger components were used, they simply welded the disconnector solid.
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Posted 16 November 2020 - 05:45 PM

Photo of housing

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