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#1 huggytree

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 06:19 PM

http://www.nfasales.com/nfawp/weapons/

 

after missing the last one for $5,500 i thought id make an offer on this one

 

made an offensive offer, but more than $5,500 the other guy got, so maybe its not as offensive as i think.......there really isnt much of a market on this model

 

i checked out machine gun price guide...its been at $7,000 value for 10 years.....so i know it will never be worth more and it will always be a difficult sell....so i need to get it at a price that i can just have some fun

 

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 07:43 PM

>…….so i know it will never be worth more and it will always be a difficult sell.<

 

Words that resonate across the entire history of private ownership of NFA! The $15 DEWAT MP28 that I bought from Cadmus Industries in 1956  that I had to buy on the sneak so my mother wouldn't launch into her usual tirade about how irresponsible an wasteful I was with my money. The registered $75 M1 Thompson that I bought in 1970 for which I paid the gov't $200 for the privilege of possessing, elicited the most amazing negative comments from friends at the time. At least one person made almost the exact same comment noted above, with the exception that it included a reaction of horror to the obvious waste of the non-refundable $200 transfer tax. He had no idea that another $200 would be due if I sold the gun!! Oh the horror!! I really had no defense, but just shrugged and said I had to have legal MGs so I wouldn't get in trouble when accosted by the cops while shooting them. No more hiding in the hills and shooting a few mags and then jumping into the car and driving off to avoid any possible connection to "machine gun fire" soon reported in the area to police.

​My friends and I did enough hiding and shooting of unregistered MGs and shooting them on the sly before and after GCA '68. I persisted with registered MGs because I was addicted to MGs. No other explanation. Still am, although made a business of my obsession in the early eighties. The $75 M1 is still here along with the $400 MG34 and $200 MG42 and many, many others that keep me amused and provide a reference for smithing on vintage MGs. Sometimes an addiction can be very positive and actually prove to be worthwhile!

​So I agree, don't waste your money and buy any more MGs. They'll never be worth any more and It just encourage others to do the same and then prices might go up. I can probably even double my money for that worthless old M1 now from the right buyer if I am lucky! 


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Posted 09 December 2016 - 09:50 PM

Hi Huggy,

 

Have you taken a Model 6 for a test drive?  I've not gotten as much trigger time as I'd like with the Ingram yet but I'd have to say I was impressed.  Never had any stoppages.  It ran on 16 year old 200gr SWC target reloads w/o missing a beat.  The gun is nice and light which has its good and bad points.  No compensator means you can shoot about any quality ammo in the gun w/o fear of gumming the comp. Yes, parts are a problem.  Mags (for the time being) are available and a bit expensive .  (Try 22RF G3 mags if you want to see expensive.  Crickets.)  I'd put some skate tape on on the front or back of the mag so you can tell the front from back by touch.  They will go into the magwell either way.

 

I like mine but it is about personal taste.  Find someone that can take you out to shoot one.  You don't want to spend a bunch of money and life to find out you rather have an M45.

 

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Posted 09 December 2016 - 10:48 PM

i like owning guns that are unique/different from each other....i dont own a tube gun and i like the dual function trigger.....i also like some of the BRP Stemple guns too....

 

my offer will most likely not be accepted as FA people are typically not in a hurry to sell. They will sit for a year on a gun to try to get their price...my Thompson sat for over a year at $30k and finally sold to me at $26.5k....a year earlier $30k was a crazy price, a year later he was willing to bargain to unload it and the market had rose several thousand......

 

if the gun has a motivated seller I offered what i considered ''market'' price....its probably $1k less than he is willing to take

 

for a low priced gun i trust the reviews and video's ive seen...i havent really heard much negative about it except for parts/mags........havent seen many for sale either to judge the market.....

 

to respond to Black River----i 100% agree on most FA's....all of mine have gone up, some significantly in a year.....but when looking at the history over the past 10 years the M6 has not gone up...its a straight line.......parts get harder to find each year....while FA's in general continue to go up in value the M6 has not.....i was shocked to see the graph....and when they are for sale no one is bidding unless the asking price is crazy low.......so while i consider my other FA's to be 1/2 investment- 1/2 enjoyment....i would consider the M6 to be a 100% enjoyment gun...shoot it until it breaks and get my thousands out of it in pure enjoyment...wish it werent true for the M6.....but 10 years of history says it is.


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 09:08 AM

Well, i was just having some fun, and you can believe whatever you want about the values of M6s over the last ten years, but they have not been flat by a long shot in my experience which includes owning and selling a number of examples outside and inside that time period as well as reactivating over half a dozen DEWATs for buyers within it, several of which I later brokered for the owners. There are too many variables with every MG and every buyer's interest and what they'll pay and I cannot think of any MG that has been flat in value for ten years including the most abused and maligned collectible MG of all, the French Chau Chat. Ten years ago they could be had for $1000. Now they are over $5000 for excellent running examples. There is no type of MG that has not risen significantly or more in value in that time frame. 

You will not lose money buying MGs and holding them for a few years. My longtime experience with talking to many would-be MG buyers and many others who have bought MGs from or though me, tells me that you missed an excellent example at a good price and are trying to justify your frustration at missing it. It's an old story and we have all felt that way after missing out on an MG that we knew we should have ponyed up and bought. You might have paid too much, but you just paid too soon as the expression seems to go. FWIW


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 02:13 PM

you are correct about me being frustrated at missing the deal for $5,500

 

yet i see another sitting there for sale for months.....obviously no interest at the price listed for.......so why not make a offer.....seller might be ready to unload it.....ive seen several FA's over the past year i had been interested in.....some ive made offers for that were declined and later the gun suddenly showed up on Sturm for less than i had offered and sold in a hour to  day.....because i dont check Sturm hourly i missed them........had i showed more interest in the original M6 i wanted maybe he would have contacted me directly before listing it on Sturm...he never got me the photo's i asked for, so i just blew it off....

 

maybe the seller of the latest M6 wont accept my offer....but maybe in 6 months he will.......im still torn over opening a new trust, but i would like to buy a .22 suppressor and a dedicated subgun suppressor also....so there are multiple reasons to accept fingerprints/mug shots for me.....

 

im interested in the M6....but really only if its a bargain.....i REALLY wanted that last one because of the low serial #....for me that adds value

 

add it to my list of 3 or 4 guns i should have grabbed and didnt.....luckily all the ones i own were almost all great deals and some rare/low serial #'s....

 

 

 

black river----your saying the machine gun price guide chart for the m6 is way off?

 

http://machinegunpri...subguns_16.html


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 04:30 PM

huggytree,

 

I bought mine in 2009, at a price well below the average shown in the chart, and it is the 48th M6 made.  In the late 80's, they could be had for about $500, and were only about $1500-$2000 around the turn of the century.  So, if you go back 10-15 years, they saw a sharper rise, in my recollection.  I agree that they haven't appreciated as much as other NFA, but they have appreciated.  The progressive trigger is the most unique feature of the gun, and it is a fun feature.  I don't have any spare parts, but I don't really worry about it.  I usually shoot about a mag a year through it.  

 

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 08:25 PM

got one in 2010 for around 4000, so on a percentage basis that's a pretty good climb if we're talking 6500 now.   5 years ago guys were asking what to buy and I said MACS which were just over 3K back then.   I just picked up a sten tube this week for 5 which I thought is a fair deal, even though it needs completion.  It's all relative and it seems to me that there is an influx of buyers now that the signature requirement is gone.  Prices seem to be on the rise a little faster than I'd thought.   When you see Garands consistently over 1K it would seem as if some military guns are bringing a lot of money.  Had the M6 seen US service I'd imagine it would be 14K right now.   They are nice guns, though obscure and don't  fit "military" collections and are thus priced accordingly. 

 

The price chart is fairly worthless and easily skewed on limited items.  In addition it reflects "asking" prices, so an idiot selling a refinished cherry Thompson for 60K skews the chart.  Final auction prices are not included either AFAIK, which are easy additional data points to acquire. 


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 08:56 PM

ive actually contacted them whenever i bought a FA to give my info....yet when i looked back on the purchase month there has never been one for my price on their chart....i know he tries to be accurate, but wo people telling him how much they paid he cant really be......

 

but then again i find 50%+ who sell dont bargain much, so often asking price= selling price

 

the only bargaining ive done is ones selling on GB.....they all bargain behind the scenes


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 09:13 AM

The lack of spare parts should not be a problem. The M6 is a simple design but is well constructed. I would be surprised if you will wear out anyting. But if you did, fabricating a new part would be easily done. The M6 specific magazines are the only thing that could be difficult. But they are available now at Century so not a problem at all really.

I do not own a M6 but have considered it.


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 01:28 PM

got the price very close to where i wanted to be...and getting a 2nd NOS mag w/ it.....still not where i want to be though...but were very close

 

were within a few hundred

 

now how to discuss it with the wife? 

 

hid my mac 10 from her cause i paid cash for it 

 

the stock has lots of dents on one side.....anywhere sell NOS stocks for it? or id take it to a wood shop to see if they could steam the dents out


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 05:15 PM

huggytree,

 

The dents are part of its history.  Most of these were tools in a police arms locker, and they got dinged up a bit.  If you're within $300 or so, do the deal.  You might regret not doing so later if you pass on it.  

 

$7K has been a common asking price I've seen on M6's for many years, though I don't think many sold for that price in past years.  That would skew the chart a bit.

 

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 06:20 PM

i have an email in to the CLEO seeing if he needs to reinspect my house as he hasnt been here in close to a year(Waukesha Co Sheriff needs to check my windows/doors/alarm---stupid stuff)...here in WI we still need a CLEO sign off on pistol caliber FA even with the new NFA rules...im trying to sneak this one past the wife, so a visit would greatly effect that sneaking process

 

Also have to start a new trust for it....but then i can get the .22 suppressor ive been wanting

 

dont like dents(too fussy for my own good)......feel its no different than marks on the bluing....it devalues the gun....got a PM into Dan Block about tweaking it.....i saw in the MACMAN book the wood was done by some guy in his garage and whatever type of wood he had in stock....funny stuff....spent an hour reading the chapter on the M6....very interesting overall...........hoping to eventually find a replacement wood stock for it...with less than 2,000 made im sure parts are nearly impossible.....the only good news is the mags....i can grab a few and they will most likely only go up in value

 

i will probably make a final counter offer if the CLEO will sign off....try to meet them somewhere in the middle...the couple hundred pays for the new trust and i dont want to over pay for a gun that no one wants....the price has to hurt each of us a bit and i dont see any other buyers out there for it.....on GB the top bid on the last one was $6k or less every time it ran....tells me exactly where the market is....most of the time he ran it he got 0 bids....and that one was most likely a more desirable gun w/ similar condition


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Posted 12 December 2016 - 06:58 PM

deal is done...got a fair price for both of us...a bit more than the one that sold on Sturm, but not all that much more...

 

question----i saw a main spring for sale on Sarco(i think)....is that something i want to buy?

 

anyone have a copy of the manual?? i cant find it on line....

 

thanks to all....


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