rpbcps Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 Interesting news story Chuck, I see Walsh is involved again. Very active guy in the day- The milling off of the numbers looks a bit like the Nelson gun, all maybe done on a rotary shop grinder. What agency would be involved in stamping the numbers again, Treasury ? I guess it's pre 34 so not issues- OCM The question of the legality of serial number removal, has always been a question on my mind concerning the IRAs SS East Side 1921's, with only 100 of them retaining their serial numbers. Yet in 1925, all of the guns, including the 395 with serial numbers removed, were 'returned to their owner'. I would have thought owning the guns without serial numbers was in itself breaking the law. Very interesting. Chuck, do you have the numbers form those guns? Are those numbers verified to be correct? The acid etch method is good, but not always perfect. Jackson Co. Mi. gun comes to mind. It always boggled my mind why people did not just take the barrel off and read the number. Marcellus Thompson went to Chicago and told them the number was under the grip mount. When I did not remember. But why did they ignore that?Mike, Yes, those are the correct numbers. They show up in the Coroner's minutes of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, as well. Marcellus Thompson came to Chicago when they were trying to trace some gun shipments after the slaying of Asst. State's Attorney William McSwiggin in 1926. I think they resorted to the acid method because it was "scientific" and demonstrated how forensic science could solve crimes. Besides, lacking the proper tools to remove barrels, they probably felt it was quicker and easier to do the acid etching. Besides, the guns weren't regarded as collectibles and they didn't care if they ruined the finish. Attached is an article I found on line, concerning the St. Valentines forensics, which I found interesting to read, BUT I have only the page that I have attached. Does anyone happen to have the complete article they could scan and forward to me? Stay safeRichard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijive Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Interesting news story Chuck, I see Walsh is involved again. Very active guy in the day- The milling off of the numbers looks a bit like the Nelson gun, all maybe done on a rotary shop grinder. What agency would be involved in stamping the numbers again, Treasury ? I guess it's pre 34 so not issues- OCM The question of the legality of serial number removal, has always been a question on my mind concerning the IRAs SS East Side 1921's, with only 100 of them retaining their serial numbers. Yet in 1925, all of the guns, including the 395 with serial numbers removed, were 'returned to their owner'. I would have thought owning the guns without serial numbers was in itself breaking the law. > Very interesting. Chuck, do you have the numbers form those guns? Are those numbers verified to be correct? The acid etch method is good, but not always perfect. Jackson Co. Mi. gun comes to mind. It always boggled my mind why people did not just take the barrel off and read the number. Marcellus Thompson went to Chicago and told them the number was under the grip mount. When I did not remember. But why did they ignore that?Mike, Yes, those are the correct numbers. They show up in the Coroner's minutes of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, as well. Marcellus Thompson came to Chicago when they were trying to trace some gun shipments after the slaying of Asst. State's Attorney William McSwiggin in 1926. I think they resorted to the acid method because it was "scientific" and demonstrated how forensic science could solve crimes. Besides, lacking the proper tools to remove barrels, they probably felt it was quicker and easier to do the acid etching. Besides, the guns weren't regarded as collectibles and they didn't care if they ruined the finish. Attached is an article I found on line, concerning the St. Valentines forensics, which I found interesting to read, BUT I have only the page that I have attached. Does anyone happen to have the complete article they could scan and forward to me? Stay safeRichardxlg_science_trail_of_crimes_0.jpgRichard, I don't have that particular article, but I do have the article Goddard wrote in 1930 for the 1st Edition of The American Journal of Police Science. It concerns the St. Valentine's Day Massacre investigation. Send me your personal email by the Private Message feature on this Board and I will send you a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 I'm pretty sure I have the article, but I'm in Tennessee at the moment. I will check this weekend. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) Richard, I don't have that particular article, but I do have the article Goddard wrote in 1930 for the 1st Edition of The American Journal of Police Science. It concerns the St. Valentine's Day Massacre investigation. Send me your personal email by the Private Message feature on this Board and I will send you a copy. I'm pretty sure I have the article, but I'm in Tennessee at the moment. I will check this weekend.David GI Jive message sent thanks David,All the time in the world, if you could let me have a copy, it would be appreciated. AZ Boater, reference the Indian Motorcycle photo, I found a similar photo. Photo of the Illinois State Police, caption said just received their Thompsons. Milwaukee PD Thompson, open police case in bottom right of photo Philadelphia PD Motorcycle and side car. Could this have been the original Thompson 'Viola' case, I prefer the version that the late Gordon Herigstad produced, serial # 119 is in my collection. Stay safeRichard Edited February 14, 2017 by rpbcps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 Arthur, Speaking of Fenn, I recently re-contacted them regarding my request from several months ago about getting some information on the type of fixture they used when they did the work for Auto-Ordnance. They were having some difficulty finding anything so I requested they start looking in their archives for the 1926/1927 time frame. If I hear anything I will post the results. Imagine if they discover the antique bottle opener in the break room is the actual 1928 TSMG barrel device? LEO with Colt Navy C Drum Surrender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I like the C drum photo. Good thing the guy on the left has a vest on since he brought a pea shooter to the party! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Not sure if these photos have been posted before, if so I missed them. While reading an article in the February 1955 issue of Gun Magazine, I found this undated photo with the caption "State trooper at road block uses Tommy gun with 50 shot drum to backup questions in car check". Here is another photo, dated 1935, showing a policeman in Puerto Rico, which I did not realise was a territory of the United States, armed with a Thompson gun. Stay safeRichard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Just came across another vintage police photo, which I have never seen before, no date on this one. Any ideas what the policemen are armed with, in the picture below? Stay safe Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adg105200 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Richard - it looks like Manville tear gas guns. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl7422 Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Agreed--Manville guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Richard - it looks like Manville tear gas guns. AndrewAgreed--Manville guns.Thanks for reply, that shows my ignorance, I had never heard of a Manville tear gas gun. Stay safe Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azboater Posted August 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just came across another vintage police photo, which I have never seen before, no date on this one. Lt Albert Field Photoshot 1920's.JPG Any ideas what the policemen are armed with, in the picture below? Police with.jpg Stay safe RichardRichard here are more from that photo shoot, with Lt. Albert Field Connecticut State Police, with Thompson .45 submachine gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) azboater,Excellent photos, you must have a good collection of photos, looking at your recent posts. Do you have any idea what year the Lt. Albert Field photo shot was taken? I note the Thompson has a horizontal fore grip rather than a vertical one, and a Cutts compensator. I note the photo with the three State policemen with two Thompsons, is featured in the 1929 AO catalog. Stay safe Richard Edited August 2, 2017 by rpbcps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylta Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 What's rare in the photo is the early Mills flap 4 cell mag pouch. This photowas supplied to me when I bought a pouch just like it. I believe my pouch wasfrom the West Virginia State Police.Darryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Here is another I have not seen on the forum before, but no details/date once again. Stay safe Richard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full auto 45 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Here is another I have not seen on the forum before, but no details/date once again. PD 1921s.jpg Stay safe Richard Somebody correct me, and on here they will, is that a 1929 Ford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantpanda4 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Looks a lot like my 1926 Ford! It is a late T, not an A, if I see it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 30 or 31 Ford based on the wheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I'd say a 30- 31 A . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Definitely a 30-31 Model A. Can't tell if it's a Tudor or Sedan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 30 or 31 Ford based on the wheels I'd say a 30- 31 A . Definitely a 30-31 Model A. Can't tell if it's a Tudor or Sedan though.So that puts the time frame of picture into post 1931? Stay safe Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DINK Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 The last time I was down at the CT police academy (Quite a while ago) they still had one of their old Thompsons on the wall in a display case. Who knows- it might be the one in those pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron_brock Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 30 or 31 Ford based on the wheels I'd say a 30- 31 A . Definitely a 30-31 Model A. Can't tell if it's a Tudor or Sedan though.So that puts the time frame of picture into post 1931? Stay safe RichardYeah I don't recall the nuances between 30 and 31 A's to pin down which it is. I just remember that the 28/29s had 21 inch wheels similar to 26/27 T's and for 30/31 they dropped them to 19 inch wheels and changed the style of hub. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deavis Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 The only Thompson photo I could find at our local PD: Albany, Oregon Police Chief Matney attending the FBI academy 1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCM Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Pretty sure a Tudor by the windows on the passenger side rear showing thru and the larger window behind the cop. No quarter window I don't think. Yes, final answer : 1931 Ford Tudor ( hope I don't hear the buzzer ) OCM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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