83Baron Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Hello everyone. I have been on the hunt for a prime example, c&r preferred, of a ppsh 41. Any leads, ideas where to look, and what the general current market price is would be appreciated. I'm thinking for a nice one between 17-22k. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) autoweapons has one....my guess on price is $35k, but since he doesnt list price its only a guess Edited January 12, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Lol you know where my minds at! Do you have one in your inventory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8tr Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 The only information I can offer is price information from 2012. in 2012, I bought a matching numbers C&R early PPSh-41 for right at $17,500. It is 1941 dated and has the earlier leaf rear sight. It came with one drum and several stick magazines. Could have overpaid, but I was happy with the deal. It is a very clean PPSh-41. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 You want to sell for a profit? I think you were right on if it's overall clean. That's what I'm looking for as well. Great find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 I don't have one for sale, but when I bought mine, they were found on sturmgewehr and then my second one on gunbroker. $14,500 for an all matching and well used not so nice looking but 100% original one with amnesty papers in 2013 , and $19,000 for a very nice one in 2015. Hopefully those help you on pricing. Good luck on the hunt! They are very fun guns to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Thanks Mike. That sounds right, and if you come across one for grabs please let me know. Always enjoy the array of videos on these guns from the likes of the above, plus yours and hickok. Autoweapons.com has one that doesn't look bad, but also a 1945 model. Maybe not as collectible as an earlier year? Thank you all, one will come around eventually,Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av8tr Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Andrew, No, not wanting to sell, just giving a price point. Good luck with the search. Mine was off Gunbroker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 I didn't think you would nice looking one, and appreciate the info. I think if I can find a nice one around 20k or less in 2017 I'm doing well. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Thanks Mike. That sounds right, and if you come across one for grabs please let me know. Always enjoy the array of videos on these guns from the likes of the above, plus yours and hickok. Autoweapons.com has one that doesn't look bad, but also a 1945 model. Maybe not as collectible as an earlier year? Thank you all, one will come around eventually,Andrew how much is auto weapons asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 32k. As much as I want one I am thinking, but price guide which most dealers say they price off of are saying 17-18k for a c&r ppsh 41. I wonder if you or Mike know which years are the most preferred as far as collecting, earlier in the war I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelkih Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Autoweapons is always a rip off. I always urge people not to give that guy any business. $32k is insane. Just hold out and you'll find one in your price range. It'll be years before $32k is the standard price. As far as years go, I never really worry about that with my WWII and WWI guns since nowadays you're just lucky to find one of what you are looking for in nice shape. I would assume the earlier the year the more collectible, but with a PPSh-41 I wouldn't care. They all look like Orks made them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black River Militaria CII Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Like most of the wartime Russian small arms, the quality of production decreased as the war deepened. Producers cut back on quality of the steel, manufacturing time, but didn't much change the construction and design of the gun. If you are too picky about what is offerered on tthe market you won't get one. There are quite a few original guns in the NFRTR as well as remanufactured examples, including Chinese and Korean. Prices note between $17 and 20k is fair currently.Now that you have advertised that you are looking for one there'll be a run on them and prices will go up!Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Appreciate the feedback from everyone. I was sort of thinking for the axis quality decreased, obviously, but compared to 41-43, by 44-45 materials were not in short supply with the Russians on the offensive so their ppsh's should have been made better than during the fall/winter of 42-43 with Stalingrad on the brink. Either way I agree around 30k is too much of a premium even for a pristine example. As I've said though I'm willing to pay a slight premium for a nice example as some have been lucky to find, but it doesn't happen overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 13, 2017 Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 $32k for autoweapons is about what i figured........id really like to know how many he sells a year? so much $$ invested in those guns.....but when he sells he makes $15k+ each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2017 Dido. Guess that's why they can hold out. Huggy you got a ppsh 41 in your collection or looking for one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) after seeing it i would be interested in one....but the caliber would hold me back personally...having to stockpile yet another caliber...no thanks if the PPSH was a 9mm i would love it....very cool gun and one i would love to shoot some day. my collection is not a WW2 collection....if it were i think the PPSH would be a must have..... i know someone who has a STG 44 in his closet....been there since before i was born...saw it as a kid once in a while....the dad hid the bolt and may have lost it...some day i will most likely have an opportunity to purchase....might be a Dewat (guess) Edited January 14, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonlmg41 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Not really, I have a 9mm conversion kit, but I don't think the drums will fit then? Guess I never though about it till now? Course the bad news on that is that it uses MP40 mags. I won't be shocked if someone starts reproducing them with the sky high prices on those now. I'm not sure why there is a such a demand for MP40 mags though? Reenactors? Dunno?Maybe I ought to dig that out and find a way to make Suomi drums work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougStump Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Change the barrel and it'll run 9mm all day long. I have two friends (unindicted co-conspirators) with PPSH's. I took 16" UZI barrels, turned a coller to match the 7.62 barrel, brazed together, and cut to length. It took some fitting to overcome the factory sloppy fit, but both turned out very accurate. I called it match grade at 900 rounds a minute. Drum & stick mags work without modification. The Germans had a drop in kit, 9mm barrel and a stamped sheet steel magazine adapter to use MP-40 mags. I tried to make the mag adapter, while it worked I wasn't happy with the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougStump Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Sorry for the duplicate post. #&+@-$/ cell phone! Edited January 14, 2017 by DougStump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Good to know about the conversion kits working well. The ammo issue is a point, but with a mostly ww2 collection, not going to shoot it all the time, and 900 rpm! I think I can stockpile a little tokarev for those occasions. They are just cool, guess the ppsh 43 couldn't live up to its counterpart. But that would also be a neat acquisition Huggy. I have a nice example of an mp43 that a senior couple had sitting around their house wrapped in rags. Heard he was an electrician and back in the 60s took it as payment for some work from the guy who brought it back. Edited January 14, 2017 by 83Baron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huggytree Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) lots of guys here have M3's and MP40's.......so your Soviet gun would fit right in perfectly......something i would like is a M1 Garand...i regret not buying one 25+ years ago when my friends got theirs through the CMP for $500(or was it less?)....they were very minty and i only got to shoot it once.....hoping the S. Korean M1's come through and prices go back down to earth.....i would love to own one.....id rather have original/beat up than a re barreled one i havent seen the sgt 44 in 20 years(ive held it as a child), but i heard the son talk about it a couple of years ago, so i know its still there(in the closet)...i assume its got a stamp and could be reactivated(once again assuming its a dewat).....finding the missing bolt may be a problem with parts kits gone(removing the bolt tells me maybe its not a dewat)......when the dad dies i will bring up the subject....i would love to own that weapon.....the grandfather was in WW2...so dont know if its a bring back or something bought out of a catalog in the 60's Edited January 14, 2017 by huggytree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Baron Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 If there's a ww2 vet associated with it there's a good chance it's a rare find. Overall, there seems to be more people growing collections rather than selling, but they are investments after all. You don't see as many authentic ww2 guns for sale as you did 5 years ago. Probably just more people getting into the hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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