Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

1928 A1 SN Markings


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 Petroleum 1

Petroleum 1

    RKI Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 859 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Arizona / Colorado

Posted 06 March 2019 - 02:06 PM

This Thompson has the "x" at the end of the sn but the US and the A1 remain intact?? Didnt they grind off the US and re-stamp the 1 into a c??

 

https://machinegunce...e1-7a5a68be7bc1

 

 

 


  • 0

#2 gijive

gijive

    Respected Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 2701 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA
  • Interests:Thompson SMG, WWII, Firearms in general.

Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:02 PM

This Thompson has the "x" at the end of the sn but the US and the A1 remain intact?? Didnt they grind off the US and re-stamp the 1 into a c??

 

https://machinegunce...e1-7a5a68be7bc1

 

 

Petroleum 1,

In most cases they did, but there is really nothing consistent with the Maguire Industries, Post WWII (in most cases), Thompsons that were marketed to law enforcement from leftover 1928 Models and parts.  They are almost exclusively AOC receivers and grip frames with a mix of other parts.  I remember reading somewhere that the X suffix may have indicated a duplicate serial number, but I don't believe that applies to the Post WWII sales to law enforcement,  I have seen guns with the X and without.  In most cases, the US and A1 were altered as you described.  This gun may be just a parts gun and not one of the Maguire Industries sales to law enforcement., although the serial number range on the gun pictured certainly fits in the range generally associated with these guns.  Someone would probably have to do an FOIA request to be sure.


Edited by gijive, 06 March 2019 - 03:03 PM.

  • 0

#3 SAW23015

SAW23015

    Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 51 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Beaverdam, Va
  • Interests:M16, Thompson, MP5, FN FAL Para, M60

Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:02 PM

They did on mine.


  • 0

#4 Petroleum 1

Petroleum 1

    RKI Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 859 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Arizona / Colorado

Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:45 PM

He has 3 Thompsons for sale from his collection and each one has something weird going on with it. The WH M1A1 has arsenal stampings on it?? 


  • 0

#5 Rimcrew

Rimcrew

    Member

  • Regular Group
  • 46 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:AZ

Posted 06 March 2019 - 03:58 PM

He has 3 Thompsons for sale from his collection and each one has something weird going on with it. The WH M1A1 has arsenal stampings on it?? 

 

I was wondering about that one, as well.  Did WH use surplus parts early on? 

 

I thought Numrich ran out of receivers, and all WH guns were built on newly manufactured receivers.


  • 0

#6 Petroleum 1

Petroleum 1

    RKI Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 859 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Arizona / Colorado

Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:02 PM

He has 3 Thompsons for sale from his collection and each one has something weird going on with it. The WH M1A1 has arsenal stampings on it?? 

 

I was wondering about that one, as well.  Did WH use surplus parts early on? 

 

I thought Numrich ran out of receivers, and all WH guns were built on newly manufactured receivers.

There would be no way the receiver could have those armory markings and WH stamped on it too. The American Thunder book says WH made 609 of the MI's in 1985 no mention of surplus parts being used.


Edited by Petroleum 1, 06 March 2019 - 04:06 PM.

  • 0

#7 Bridgeport28A1

Bridgeport28A1

    Respected Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 1216 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:USA

Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:08 PM

As gijive mentioned that X suffix may indicate a duplicate serial number in certain circumstances with military issued small arms. I was issued a TRW M14 Rifle with a X suffix, serial number 1512512X, TRW has duplicated serial numbers in an assigned H&R serial number block. It may not be the case with this AOC 1928A1. I couldnt tell if there were any military acceptance stamps present on the AOC X gun. If his West Hurley M1 has military stamps they were likely added and not correct.
  • 0

#8 TSMG28

TSMG28

    Respected Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 484 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ohio

Posted 06 March 2019 - 04:42 PM

The stamps on the West Hurley are obviously faked. The font is wrong, as is the size, and whoever did it didnt know that the the letters in the circle are GEG, not CEC. Likely a sad example of someone trying to enhance the value of their gun.

I agree with the other comments about the AO 1928.
  • 0

#9 Black River Militaria CII

Black River Militaria CII

    Industry Expert

  • Regular Group
  • 800 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 06 March 2019 - 10:42 PM

If the X suffix is indicative of a duplicate serial number, how did they know? How did “they” keep track to know that any serial was a duplicate at the time when the guns were assembled?
  • 0

#10 full auto 45

full auto 45

    Respected Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 4786 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Looking over your shoulder right now
  • Interests:Thompson's, Any Machinegun, Harley's and scuba diving. In that order.

Posted 07 March 2019 - 09:10 PM

He has 3 Thompsons for sale from his collection and each one has something weird going on with it. The WH M1A1 has arsenal stampings on it?? 

 

It says the "CRISP FJA, CEC , P ON STOCK. Not on the receiver. However "US PROPERTY MARKED,BULLET LOGO" if that is on the receiver, it would be a non original marking.

The serial number on this is M61. That is interesting, as it is not in the WH range, unless a special number?

THERE WERE 609 M1 FULL-AUTO THOMPSONS PRODUCED.   PRODUCTION BEGAN FOR THIS MODEL IN 1985.  THE FIRST SERIAL NUMBER WAS M100A AND ENDED WITH M717A.  SERIAL NUMBERS M100A - M174A WERE MANUFACTURED IN 1985 AND M175A - M717A WERE MANUFACTURED IN 1986.
  • 0

#11 mohawk64

mohawk64

    Regular Member

  • Regular Group
  • 241 posts

Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:10 PM

I would R U N N O F T.
  • 0

#12 Ron Mills

Ron Mills

    Long Time RKI Member

  • Board Benefactor
  • 1381 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:On the road again, Glenn Miller Orchestra
  • Interests:All Thompson models and accessories

Posted 07 March 2019 - 10:35 PM

I would R U N N O F T.


That made my day.
  • 0

#13 mnshooter

mnshooter

    Long Time RKI Member

  • Board Donor
  • 2039 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Minnesota

Posted 08 March 2019 - 10:08 AM

Obviously that Hurly M1 was accidentally sent through the M1 Garand inspection line :lol: .

During the... Gulf War... Yeah, that's it...

 

The last two digits of the serial No. were blurred out.


Edited by mnshooter, 08 March 2019 - 10:10 AM.

  • 0