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Colt SN 8219 was seized for forfeiture by ATF on 7/28/21


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#1 Bartlow

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 12:37 PM

In perusing the list of items ATF has proposed to forfeit after seizing is the Colt Thompson No. 8219, from a FFL in California. They propose to seize two other machine guns (both are listed as SIG SG551) from the same dealer also.

 

21-ATF-027512: Colt 1921 Thompson Machine Gun CAL:45 SN:8219, valued at $5,000.00, seized by the ATF on July 28, 2021 from Dennis Le Vine in Manhattan Beach, CA for forfeiture pursuant to 26 U.S.C. Section 5872.

 

https://www.forfeiture.gov/pdf/ATF/OfficialNotification.pdf 


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#2 APEXgunparts

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 12:46 PM

I wonder how the ATF will handle the sale of that SMG?
I assume it was seized as asset forfeiture and not because of criminal activity.
So its value must be based on what they believe it can be sold for.

 

I usually look at what US Customs has been catching and confiscating on the "Forfeiture.GOV" web site.

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#3 Bartlow

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 03:46 PM

ATF does not sell forfeited guns. It will either be kept by them for law enforcement use (as a reference gun, typically), or more likely, given they probably own several examples of the 1921 Thompson machine gun, destroyed.

 

As to why it was seized, hard to say. 


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#4 inertord

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 08:20 PM

26 U.S. Code § 5872. Forfeitures

(a) Laws applicable
Any firearm involved in any violation of the provisions of this chapter shall be subject to seizure and forfeiture, and except as provided in subsection b, all the provisions of internal revenue laws relating to searches, seizures, and forfeitures of unstamped articles are extended to and made to apply to the articles taxed under this chapter, and the persons to whom this chapter applies.

(b)disposal
In the case of the forfeiture of any firearm by reason of a violation of this chapter, no notice of public sale shall be required; no such firearm shall be sold at public sale; if such firearm is forfeited for a violation of this chapter and there is no remission or mitigation of forfeiture thereof, it shall be delivered by the Secretary to the Administrator of General Services, General Services Administration, who may order such firearm destroyed or may sell it to any State, or possession, or political subdivision thereof, or at the request of the Secretary, may authorize its retention for official use of the Treasury Department, or may transfer it without charge to any executive department or independent establishment of the Government for use by it.

Edited by inertord, 20 September 2021 - 08:23 PM.

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#5 johnsonlmg41

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 08:33 PM

ATF does not sell forfeited guns. It will either be kept by them for law enforcement use (as a reference gun, typically), or more likely, given they probably own several examples of the 1921 Thompson machine gun, destroyed.

 

As to why it was seized, hard to say. 


They actually have.  It would have needed to have been legally registered however, otherwise as pointed out it has to go a .gov


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#6 PTRS-14.5

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Posted 22 September 2021 - 07:16 AM

Agreed... The Mike Free Case comes to mind... LOL!!!!

 

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Edited by PTRS-14.5, 22 September 2021 - 07:16 AM.

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