Armydoc0115 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Hey all, Thought maybe someone smarter than me might have some advice that would help me understand what happened. I took my M50 out to the range today to run a few rounds through an old 20 rd magazine that had been having feeding problems. She did great on semi and only hung up once on me in FA. I go down to the very last round of my last magazine, and I couldn't get the round to chamber completely. I packed up, took her home, cleaned her, and while function checking, I tried to load a .45 Snap Cap via magazine into the chamber. It would not seat completely in the chamber. This happened over and over and over, and had the same issues with a live FMJ round. I apologize for the quality of the photo, but maybe this will give you an idea about what the issue is. As you can see, the round, even with the assistance of gravity, will not seat in the chamber. Not sure what might have happened. Has anyone encountered this before? Or does anyone have an advice as to what might have went wrong? I'm pretty sure that all roads lead to the gunsmith, but I'd sure love to hear someone's opinion as to what may have gone wrong. Thanks for helping me understand.v/rDavid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Looks like you had some kind of case separation. Is that the top of a casing in the front of the chamber? David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawksnest Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Try shoving a cleaning rod with a .45 brush from the rear of the receiver into the chamber. When you pull it back out it may dislodge the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armydoc0115 Posted April 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Dave, I just had to go look this up, because I don't know anything about. But on closer inspection, and seeing some others with pictures, I think you might be right. It sounds like it is more common with hand loading, but I ran a box of Remington 230gr through it yesterday. I guess just cuz it's a factory load doesn't mean it can't happen. But if you think there is something I did that might have led to this, let me know. I'd prefer not to repeat it. Otherwise, I gotta see if the gunsmith can get it out for me.-David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armydoc0115 Posted April 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Alright, Hawk. I'll give that a try first. Thank you!-David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armydoc0115 Posted April 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 Well, you were spot on, guys. Thanks for helping a big dummy like me figure this out. I'm reading about this problem and some sites are talking about stuff like Cerrosafe. You definitely saved me a few bucks in gunsmith fees (and maybe some humiliation too).Thanks again! -David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 I have to say that I've never seen that happen on a .45 caliber firearm before. I've seen it several times on rifle caliber cartridges, though. I would think this is a "one-off" issue, but maybe someone else who knows more about the physics of it might offer their input. David Albertdalbert@sturmgewehr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 was this factory loaded ammo or re-loads? Usually 45acp brass will split when reloaded too many times. If it is factory ammo, then the bolt is not locking up and it is opening too soon. Check for dirt in the locking area or a burr that is stopping the bolt from locking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgeport28A1 Posted April 16, 2017 Report Share Posted April 16, 2017 (edited) I had one .45 case separate just like yours. Mine occurred in a Thompson and I attributed it to tired brass. Only 45 case separation I have had in thousands fired. I will add the separated .45 ACP case was a reload that had an unknown number of firings. Had a full auto Browning FAL at work that needed a head space check that would separate Federal .308 American Eagle brass about every 100 rounds. The sparated case would usually come out jammed over the shoulder of the next round. Edited April 16, 2017 by Bridgeport28A1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adg105200 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Sound like you just need to mark your brass for times fired. It can also be dependent on the brand of brass as well. Some brass has more thickness than others. Annealing can help too, but at the price of .45 brass it's not necessary worth it. Oncefiredbrass.Com has good prices. Hopefully it is just a one the thing for you, but I would check the brand/headstamp if you are shooting mixed lots. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG08 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 I have brass that has been reloaded an ungodly number of times - I got it once fired off a Marine range back in the old days ( 1982 ish) when we had to reload 45 to do our weapons Quals ( that is an entire 'nother story) . I am still using a lot of it. Most failures typically seen from over used brass are splits, as noted by others above. Personally I would not spend a lot of energy worrying about this type failure - I have fired a bajillion rds of factory and reloaded 45, and have seen this type of failure only a couple times in 40 years of shooting 45 ACP. Just recognize it and know how to fix it. If for some reason you run into a batch of ammo with repeated failures, then you might want to DX the ammo / Brass.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted April 17, 2017 Report Share Posted April 17, 2017 Ummmmm.......if the bolt does not lock up , the bolt does not tilt , and the firing pin falls into the hole in the center of the hammer , and cannot be hit .Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armydoc0115 Posted April 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 Honest to God, that was a factory load. Remington UMC ammo. I have never run reloads through my Reising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 I feel that factory loads can fail as in this example. I just hope those that put down reloading take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGinGA Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I had a squib load problem with my M50. IT stopped firing and wouldn't chamber the next round. Cleared the gun and checked the bore - black. At home, removed the obstruction with a shotgun cleaning rod - a bullet stuck in the barrel. THank God it didn't go farther, or it would have chambered and fired (wonder if that would be survivable?) The cause was a reloaded round with a primer and no powder. This is hard to understand, as I use a Dillon Square Deal progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jl7422 Posted September 25, 2018 Report Share Posted September 25, 2018 I've had these type of case separations with 7.62 Tok. and 7.63 Mauser. Both times it was headspace issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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