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#1 Balder

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 12:37 PM

A friend recently got this deactivated M1928A1, supposedly recovered from a lake in Austria. Part of the story is that it served with the British 1st Airborne (Red Devils).

 

Opinions, anyone? Production date?

 

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Edit: Sorry about the picture orientation.

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#2 Annihilator

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 12:56 PM

Then there should be a british proof mark on the left side of the receiver, near the barrel 

How can he tell that it served with a specific unit when it comes out of a lake ?


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 01:13 PM

Annihilator,

 

I wish I knew, this is all the information I have. There's no broad arrow or British proofing visible, but the metal is quite worn at places.

 

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:13 PM

There wasn't much oxygen at the bottom of that lake, or the whole thing would be corroded solid.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 03:23 PM

What exactly makes it a dewat the receiver looks intact
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#6 Mk VII

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 04:53 PM

I can see cuts under the grip mount.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 05:12 PM

Doesnt mean anything its 10 minutes to swap out barrels
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Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:05 PM

It is in the UK.... right? Rules are different than in the US.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 06:58 PM

If im not mistaken I see the US ordnance bomb stamp


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#10 Adg105200

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 06:12 AM

Doesnt mean anything its 10 minutes to swap out barrels


While that is true, you get in BIG trouble in most of the European countries if you are found with any live barrel. Some countries you can have certain live guns with a special license. Deactivation rules differ depending where you are.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 07:11 AM

While that is true, you get in BIG trouble in most of the European countries if you are found with any live barrel. Some countries you can have certain live guns with a special license. Deactivation rules differ depending where you are.

 

 

Live M1928A1s and M1s are comparatively common and really cheap in Germany -- I paid €800 for my AO M1928A1, these days they are probably around €1,000. These are original in all respects (Cutts, Lyman sights, 10.5" barrels, etc) except that they are permanently converted to semi. Heresy, I know, but that's how it is. I shoot mine a lot even so  ;)   All of these are Lend-Lease guns that came out of the former USSR.

 

Cheers

 

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:13 AM

HANS:

Please explain how the Thompson was converted to semi-auto only. Rules for conversion of an MG to semi-auto or manufacture of a semi-auto MG in the US are vry specific and strict. Would be interesting to know if you can take the time. Thanks.
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Posted 14 May 2018 - 02:56 PM

what is the rest of the story, how did this gun get from a lake in austria to being a dewat in england ?? buy the gun not the story..


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:55 PM

If im not mistaken I see the US ordnance bomb stamp


I see it as well, which puts the production date sometime from later 1941 to probably earlyish 1942. The U.S. Ordnance Dept. final inspection stamp from the flaming bomb to the crossed cannons during Oct. 1942. (ATIII pg. 104)

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:59 PM

lake gun looks better than some recent m1a1's for sale on gun broker(less pitting)just needs to be parkerized!....the bottom of a lake must be an excellent place to preserve a thompson :)


Edited by huggytree, 14 May 2018 - 06:01 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:29 PM

lake gun looks better than some recent m1a1's for sale on gun broker(less pitting)just needs to be parkerized!....the bottom of a lake must be an excellent place to preserve a thompson :)



Some of the stuff even still functions


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:11 PM

Russian T34/76 with German markings how cool is that find!!
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:04 AM

HANS:

Please explain how the Thompson was converted to semi-auto only. Rules for conversion of an MG to semi-auto or manufacture of a semi-auto MG in the US are vry specific and strict. Would be interesting to know if you can take the time. Thanks.

I have seen a semi auto "permanent" modification, trust me is better to see it deactivated rather than "castrated" lol. of course first step is removal of the selector, second they cut the bolt on the bottom 80% of its lenght and some of the bolt height (to remove its channels) and insert a moving rod that acts on the sear, then the actuator is again modified, they mill the spring channel in order to insert another movable rod that strikes on the receiver, in this process they also mill a small portion of the b lock (in the middle, making it very prone to breaking).

Lastly, they insert one spring for each horrible device that so you end with three different springs, and a small plate to be inserted at the back. The system is so ugly and complicated, that the author would still deserve a medal for designing it.

Of course if one is able to swap parts, in this case everything except upper, you end up again with a mg

Edited by indochinavet, 15 May 2018 - 03:05 AM.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:29 PM

I respectfully disagree with the above post. I believe Ive seen the same build you are referring to. Was it the one built on a Phila Ord receiver? If so, I thought it came out more representative of a full auto Thompson then any current semi auto on the market. How can you ruin a Thompson when its a new receiver? Ive seen the same build using welded receivers. How can those be ruined when they are already cut up? A deactivated gun is just a fancy paper weight, no matter how original it may be.

Edited by halftrack, 16 May 2018 - 08:21 PM.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:29 PM

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Edited by halftrack, 16 May 2018 - 08:20 PM.

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