Outlaw Cars

[OCM]

Views of cars used by the outlaws. In the Dillinger case, he bought his personal cars ( 1933 Essex Terraplane 8) and used stolen cars for the jobs. This was a known style of robbing banks from a German guy named Lamm, everything timed.

Another tactic, was to throw tacks out the rear window or from the access hole under the rear seat, to blow the tires out of lawmen- worked to. Also leave the car used in the bank robbery, hidden but running- When the police showed up they figured they ran out of gas and started hunting the area. Dillinger usually kept a can of gas too.

Capone of course, had the 1928 Caddy with armor plating and bullet proof glass. After Capone, President Roosevelt, actually used it in a motorcade once, loaned to him from the Chicago ? PD. Remember memory here but I'm close.

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[OCM]

Top, L-R , Bonnie & Clyde's death car just brought in, Dillinger Hudson after the South Bend robbery, Bonnie & Clyde's Ford left at the shoot-out in Iowa.

Bottom L-R, B&C death car, Baby Face Nelson car, with holes from a Colt Monitor Machine Rifle, fired from INSIDE the rear seat ( smart, Heh ? )

 

Edited January 7, 2013 by OCM

[OCM]

Bonnie & Clyde death car clone- This is how the car looked just prior to the ambush where it & they were shot all to hell.

[darrylta]

Great stuff, makes me want to look for a 34 Ford V8.

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Well, I'm over that urge, to much work.

-Darryl

Edited January 14, 2012 by darrylta

[OCM]

Great stuff, makes me want to look for a 34 Ford V8.

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Well, I'm over that urge, to much work.

-Darryl

 

 

OK , then,

The Baby Face Nelson car was a lot less work- Only a little guy like Nelson and a Thompson would fit.

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[darrylta]

Ouch, that hurts.

Want I meant is I've been there and done car restorations in my younger days.

I've since transitioned to guns, there a lot easier on the bones than wrestling with

a transmission on your back.

As a matter of fact I'm looking for a new house to support my collecting hobbies,

one with a six car garage. Sadly all Pontiac muscle cars.

Hey maybe a trade might be in order??

:-) Darryl

[OCM]

Take you pick Darryl, all gased up and ready to go, nothing to do but grab your Thompson, hit a bank and off you go, usually to jail

Never can have enough Thompsons or garage space.

If you want to trade, I'm partial to 21 ACs & pre-war 38 Supers ( 31-34 is best ) .

My old Pontiac is a 1933 4 door, as pictured here with Clyde Barrow and Joe Palmer ( this is an original family picture)

 

All with big 8s, not fast tho.......

 

OCM

 

Edited September 16, 2012 by OCM

[darrylta]

Looks like we have similar vises?

21ac

1929 38 super

Hoover's WMD

-Darryl

Edited January 15, 2012 by darrylta

[OCM]

Looks like we have similar vises?

21ac

1929 38 super

Hoover's WMD

-Darryl

 

 

Fine toys you have, Darryl, the Hoover gun , I assume a very RARE Colt Monitor R-80 ? Never touched one or been that close to one. Frank Hamer's is/was displayed at the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco. ( Bonnie & Clyde )

Your avatar has the FBI guy with two of them. I have to assume you've seen the film of Hoover's " You Can't Get Away with It " 1936. He has his agents lined up, shooting the FBI Colt Monitors.

Top notch equipment you got Darryl, I'm jealous of course.

So, you want to trade for the red 1958 BMW Isetta, huh ? HAAAHHHAAA. You betcha !

 

OCM

[darrylta]

I'll have to put the movie on my to watch list.

Yes, it is a R-80, I've had it now for 3 weeks or so and haven't had

time to really get into it yet.

As far the Isetta, I think the guys from American Pickers might be interested.

:-) Darryl

[OCM]

Lucky guy to have a Monitor, of course you know that. If you go back to post #1, bottom right car was the one Baby Face Nelson was using. His gang member John Chase was in the rear seat of the car and fired a Monitor right through the front window of the car at the police ! ( from the back seat )

The Monitor was never recovered to my knowlegde and has disappeared.

It's believed that Frank Hamer used his monitor on Bonnie & Clyde, firing into the car from the rear, all the way around. Holes indicate a 30.06 round too.

 

Photo is an out-take from the Hoover movie with Hoover directing his FBI agents on a range with Monitors, maybe one of yours ?

Movie is hard to find, I may have a copy in my collection ( VHS ) , if I do , welcome to borrow it. As I remember, it was shown at movie theaters like Newsreels.

 

Sandy

[darrylta]

http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/

 

Sandy,

You most likely know of the site shown above. It's a very well done with lots of info regarding the early

FBI and it's agents.

 

I contacted the sites owner, Larry Wack, seeking more info on the R-80s the FBI had.

After he spoke to lots of retired agents and range instructors, he had very little input on them and no

information on what the FBI used to transport them in.

 

Of the ninety or so that they bought, all but a handful were destroyed.

 

Judging mine by it's serial number, it's the 16th R-80 built and sold before the FBI / Justice Dept placed their

orders. Most likely it was sold to a large New England PD, a Prison System or security company. It was introduced in the height of the

depression when even the Police were cash strapped, most PD's went with shotguns instead of the $300 dressed up R-80.

 

I'm looking to get some FOIA info on it shortly, Who knows what info between the mostly blacked out lines will be there?

-------At least I'll have a transfer form trail to review.

 

I'd be grateful to borrow the VHS tape if you can find it and possibly get it transferred to a DVD or CD. or at least get some

photos out of it.

 

Thanks for the info,

Darryl

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[OCM]

Darryl,

Yes Larry is a great guy, check the credits on his web site, I think you'll see my name there. I also worked with him a bit on research of the " lost " Dillinger pistol that was recently discovered.

 

I've got a fairly good article on the R80 somewhere, I think it was in Small Arms Review years back. See if I can dig that up.

 

The FBI files on Nelson , I believe lists the Monitor, I'll check that too.

 

The video might be tuff, I've got boxes & boxes of old gangster films etc. The FBI one might be included in one, we'll see. Hoover was on this anti-crime thing , doing these shorts in the movie houses. It wasn't all monitor firing, but there are movies of them at the range included. I think I can set up the old VHS, we'll see.

 

Got pictures of the Hamer one also...

 

Yes, a Hoover R80 is a very rare & historical item.

 

Give me some time, see what I can produce for you.

 

Sandy

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[darrylta]

Sandy,

I've got the SAR article.

I'm looking for the fold out sales brochure and special R-80 mag pouch

if you know any one that may have them.

Thanks,

Darryl

[OCM]

Sandy,

I've got the SAR article.

I'm looking for the fold out sales brochure and special R-80 mag pouch

if you know any one that may have them.

Thanks,

Darryl

I don't, might be a real tough thing(s) to find, I'd even wonder if they exist ?

[OCM]

Sandy,

I've got the SAR article.

I'm looking for the fold out sales brochure and special R-80 mag pouch

if you know any one that may have them.

Thanks,

Darryl

 

Darryl-

Frank Hamer's Monitor. FYI They had the wrong sign on it, called it a BAR.

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[OCM]

Sandy,

I've got the SAR article.

I'm looking for the fold out sales brochure and special R-80 mag pouch

if you know any one that may have them.

Thanks,

Darryl

 

Darryl-

Frank Hamer's Monitor. FYI They had the wrong sign on it, called it a BAR.

 

OR IS IT ???????????

[darrylta]

Sandy, I don't understand the question?

-Darryl

[OCM]

Sandy, I don't understand the question?

-Darryl

Wasn't there a Browning version that used a pistol grip , however the front furniture is quite different as is the comp ??? FND ?

I assume you have Jim Ballou's book, A Rock in a Hard spot, I think that's the name. I believe it has some good Monitor info.

Also, You Tube: "You Can't Get Away With It " has your monitor (s) being fired on the FBI range with Hoover standing there supervising or something-

[OCM]

OK, we got Dillinger's 1933 Essex Terraplane 8 that was all shot up in a running battle with police in Chicago, car was found later parked in the street and towed to the PD.

 

Auto Holster Cool info

 

Bonnie & Clyde death car in Arcadia, La. not long after the ambush. The ambush site is basically down the road from here-

This is parked at the loading docks of the train station which is still there with a little museum. Car went on tour where millions & millions of people have viewed it. Casino turned down $1,000,000.00 for it at one time.

 

Dillinger's 1933 Ford, rear window was broke out to shoot at police with a Thompson.

 

Rick Mattix with Dillinger's 1933 Essex Terraplane 8, parked in my driveway here at my home in Colorado. Took it for a short spin just after this picture was taken. May he rest in Peace-

 

OCM

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[dalbert]

Sandy,

I've got the SAR article.

I'm looking for the fold out sales brochure and special R-80 mag pouch

if you know any one that may have them.

Thanks,

Darryl

 

Darryl,

 

I have photos of the sales brochure. There is also someone on the Thompson board who has a Spanish version of the sales brochure...

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

[darrylta]

David,

I know a well known collector on the Colt Forum Board who owns a Monitor brochure.

He has mainly wheel guns I think and is a paper collector like yourself and a member of the OGCA.

You may know him, his handle is JudgeColt.

 

I will be giving a sales pitch to buy the brochure from him soon. I'm debating on how I should approach

the subject and what to offer him for it. Do you have any idea on what it may be worth??

 

I'm thinking a grand or so, but really do not have a clue..... and he does not own a Monitor so it

isn't like it's part of a Monitor display.

 

Do you have any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Darryl

Edited January 24, 2012 by darrylta

[dalbert]

Darryl,

 

I wouldn't think it would be worth a grand...I was thinking maybe $400 to $500. Then again, there aren't very many around. The last one I saw for sale was when I bought the Koree estate material covering the Hyde Model 35 SMG, and the 1930's potential Auto-Ordnance deals in 2004. Koree had a Monitor brochure, and I bid on it, and IIRC, it went for around $90 at that time.

 

David

[dalbert]

Darryl,

 

"The Book of Colt Paper," which is a fairly new book published in late 2011, has a page (p.75) on the Monitor. It features both the English and Spanish version covers, and the Monitor foldout.

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

[OCM]

Back to the outlaw cars-

Got an original trunk for my 1933 Buick Series 90 7 passenger sedan. Little different then the other one if you're a car guy-

 

Anyway, here is the car, damn near 19 feet long with the rear trunk lid down- This would of been what it looked like when Dillinger drove up to the Racine bank and robbed it. Of couse would blend right in, a new $2000.00 Buick showing up at the bank with 5 guys in long overcoats- NOT.

I've always wondered what were they thinking ?