First Sergeant Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hi guys, Ran across an M2 with "M2 trigger group assembled from surplus military parts" in the additional description box of a Form 1 completed just prior to the 1986 ban. None of the conversion kit parts are masrked; only the trigger frame has the makers info and unique number. Would this be considered a registered trigger group? At first, I thought the maker screwed up by not marking any one of the conversion kit parts but saw a registered trigger group on an M1/M2 offered by Ruben. Any thoughts on this one? thanks Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 There are 7 parts that make up a M2 kit. One of these parts needs to be marked by the maker. The trigger housing isn't one of them. I'm not sure if they had determined the 7 parts in 1986. The ruling may have come later. Does Ruben have this? Or someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Sergeant Posted February 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 This is in private hands but Ruben has one on Subguns that he refers to as a registered trigger group. I am aware of the 7 parts that comprise the kit and was surprised/concerned that none were marked. When I read Ruben's ad it made wonder if there was such a thing. Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Yes , a batch were made just before the cut -off in '86 . They were and are incorrectly marked. The info needs to be on one of the seven parts . Most put it on the rocker assembly. It is not legal if not marked correctly ( or until , but let's not go there ) .Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) I can ask Ruben how his is marked. more than likely he was refering to the 7 parts, as the trigger group Edited February 9, 2013 by n64atlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) I e-mailed Ruben. His is marked on the rocker Edited February 12, 2013 by n64atlas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Having the seven parts in it's own trigger pac helps keep them together and accounted for as well as being easier / quicker to switch between weapons .Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Sergeant Posted February 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 What concerns me on a marked trigger frame is that being in possesion of all the "7 parts", none of which are marked, what is the "machine gun" in the eyes of BATFE? If you move the parts to another M1 and not move the trigger frame, you have a machine gun, what is the status of the M1 with the numbered trigger frame (as listed on the form 4)? I agree, that one of the 7 parts should be marked with the correct number. Dose anyone think the trigger frame is "married" to the kit? N64atlas, thanks for checking with Ruben. Any idea why he would call it a registered trigger group and not just a conversion kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64atlas Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 He just advertized it wrong. Most call the 7 parts, the trigger group. Most will sell the 7 parts, in the trigger frame, even thouh it isn't part ofthe 7 parts that make up a parts kit. He said , to tell every one that it was his mistake. I have known Ruben for over 20 years, so I know he is sinsearin sawing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 There was a batch of kits registered just prior to the cut-off in '86. The serial number was engraved on the trigger housing in error. BATFs stand is that these kits are illegal if found as they are unmarked , being that one of the seven must be marked. I would figure more than one kit has been corrected over the decades . There is no law that states that both the trigger housing and one of the seven can't both have the serial number , as the trigger housing is a non issue . Think of a bolt or stock with a reciever's serial number on it.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Sergeant Posted February 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Chris, All very good thoughts, thanks. I've been involved with NFA since the mid 70's and nothing is more confusing to me than these kits for the M1's. N64atlas, thanks for clarifying Ruben's listing. I have several friends who have purchased from Ruben and have nothing but good things to say about the transactions. Maybe I'm not the only one who is or was consfused by these coversion kits. Thanks for all the replies. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmagee1917 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 Yes , the M1/M2 laws are a mess. This is a combo of guns being sold through the CMP / DCM with M2 parts on them and people trying to skate the law over the $200 . If we , as a people , hadn't tried to do that , the hodge podge of laws would not have needed to be done. This is what has led to the current confusion.Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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