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Ouch. That really is in the range. How was the gun registered that precludes C&R. Inland had hand stamps, overstamps and M2 guns in those last two SN blocks.

 

Thanks for the info...

 

Bob D

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Ah yes, that answers the question. Rock Island, the company not the arsenal, made quite a few registered receiver guns prior to 1986. Most didn't have that late SN. Thanks for your info.

 

Bob D

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I own 6 C&R guns and none are marked C&R on the form 4.

A 7 million Inland should definitely be a C&R unless it was remanufactured by welding two halves together.

My Bridgeport 28A1 has Numrich Arms down on the form 4 as the manufacturer and they had absolutely nothing to with manufacturing it.

Jim C

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The carbine referenced above was manufactured by the Reese brothers acting as "Rock Island Arsenal" . these are not original M2 guns, but M1s that were "converted " prior to 1986. they are not considered C&R. Even if in the correct serial range. C&R guns are not marked C&R on the transfer forms, but there is a block in the computer file for the gun that is "Checked" for the C&R status. There are a number of M1s registered as M2s, that are not Inland or Winchester but are considered C&R. We had about 20 + of them registered here in MN by Minneapolis PD in 1968 under the amnesty. The guns were subsequently sold and transferred to individual officers, and have transferred as C&R guns since. As noted above by another contributor, you really need to know the history of the gun to determine if it is C&R ,and "original". Some are, some are not.

so an M2 "Overstamp" in the correct range may or may not be C&R.

an IBM Marked M1 may be C&R

An IBM Marked M2 May be C&R

Just sayin'.

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considering M1's were made in the same serial number range as the M2, you would have to check how it was registered. My M2 is a over stamp

M2 in the correct range but is not C&R

atlas.

Just to clarify.

Your M2 "over stamp" had a receiver stamped M1 and someone over stamped the 1 with a 2. Is that what you have??

Or do you have a "hand stamped" receiver, a receiver without a number after the M and a 2 was hand stamped off center??

Jim C

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I have examples of both..an Inland in the 6.8 million range and a Winchester overstamp and neither list a C&R status on the forms....

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I have a C&R Winchester and Inland as well, neither marked "C&R" on the form 4. I also own probably another 20-25 Form 3 or form 4 C&R MGs, none are marked on the forms as C&R. Winchseter is an overstamp, Inland is factory stamped as "M2"

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I return to the reason for my original question. If an M2 that is not in the correct Winchester or Inland serial number range, and is not factory stamped M2, is transfered to a holder of a C&R license, what prevents a future examiner declining a transfer as not being a C&R?

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To answer your question, the gun is identified in the ATF data base as "C&R" by have some little block checked. Sometimes guns are added as C&R when information is provided to BATF to document or "prove" they are C&R. Follow on transfers should be approved as C&R. Guns are considered C&R by virtue of being "original" but this determination can be a little arbitrary. Some guns were mis-registered, some are sold incorrectly as C&R ( I have had several of the Rock Island M2 carbines sent in for guys who bought them incorrectly being told they were C&R - had to send back or sell for them) I have several Guns that are clearly "original" and are NOT C&R. one MG08/15 in particular. Has a Charlie Erb bullet logo, but based on inspection it was never cut, plates are original, but it will not transfer as C&R.

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