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#1 Grease Gunner

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 02:30 PM

Hello All:

 

I thought I posted Pictures of this Savage which we refer to as a "Commercial"

It does have Colt Shiny Blued Fire Controls. Tom Davis has a few of These Pictured in

His book with MPD(Memphis Police Dept? ) markings. I need to do a FOIA letter to get more history.

 

It is early enough to be the First variation of the 4 types that Tom shows in his book.

It is because it has the New York Address and Patent Numbers, not dates as in the next variation.

 

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Posted 29 August 2018 - 03:29 PM

Nice early s/n gun!


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 05:29 PM

The safety looks to be a Colt part, the fire selector is a Savage-made part.  The rear grip is not original to the gun or has been heavily sanded.  Notice that the bottom front portion of the grip does not meet the bottom of the trigger guard and there is a sharp point present.  The early Savage guns of that serial number range had more well-formed grips that resembled the Colt style grips.  That is a WWII era grip that doesn't fit right or has been sanded heavily.  Other than that it is a nice early Savage gun.


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Posted 30 August 2018 - 01:45 PM

TD sent me some clearer pictures from the original auction photos of this gun.  The safety and fire select levers are clearly Savage made, not Colt made parts.  I have attached some photos of the fit of the grip of the early Savage gun being discussed in another thread on the Board.  This is an 31,000 series serial number and is how the grip should look where it meets the trigger guard.  The very early 17,000 serial number guns would have a grip very similar to the Colt contours and the grip would be flush with the edge of the trigger guard.  In my opinion, this is not the original grip that was on this gun when it was made.

 

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Posted 30 August 2018 - 05:12 PM

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 11:10 PM

the middle one is mine off my gun...i believe it to be a correct marked early S1928 grip..notice the font difference and the location of the stamp on the grip...these are very hard to find....i got this one thanks to a forum member who had a pile of grips and that one happen to be different than the rest...got lucky!

 

S is a larger font

 

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 08:11 AM

Yeah, the early Savage 28 grips are very hard to find. That along with a Dittenborn rear grip. Still haven't come across either yet. Although I do have to say the Strombeck (M) grips for the most part look better than the later Savage grips.

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 11:39 AM

Take all your wood off your gun and post pics of the markings...check the buttstock to see if you have all 3 numbers matching under the 2 plates??


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Posted 03 September 2018 - 12:47 PM

All,

 

Here is what an early unmolested Savage grip is supposed to look like.  This is on a 27,000 serial number range Thompson.  Notice the fit of the wood and metal at the rear of the trigger guard and also notice the well-defined edges of the finger groove.  They are smooth, but pointed and well-defined. not rounded.

 

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:33 PM

All,
 
Here is what an early unmolested Savage grip is supposed to look like.  This is on a 27,000 serial number range Thompson.  Notice the fit of the wood and metal at the rear of the trigger guard and also notice the well-defined edges of the finger groove.  They are smooth, but pointed and well-defined. not rounded.
 
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Gijive, that particular Thompson looks parkerized. Is it or is it just the camera lighting? Very nice Thompson BTW.
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Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:53 PM

will get the wood off and post pics

Thanks, huggy!


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Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:54 PM

All,
 
Here is what an early unmolested Savage grip is supposed to look like.  This is on a 27,000 serial number range Thompson.  Notice the fit of the wood and metal at the rear of the trigger guard and also notice the well-defined edges of the finger groove.  They are smooth, but pointed and well-defined. not rounded.
 
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Gijive, that particular Thompson looks parkerized. Is it or is it just the camera lighting? Very nice Thompson BTW.

Halftrack,

 

No, it is original finish DuLite blue.  The early Savage guns had the receiver and trigger frame bead-blasted.  When blued it gives the appearance of a matte finish, commonly mistaken for Parkerizing.  I have seen the gun in person (it is not mine) and it is definitely original DuLite finish.  The barrels were not blasted and have a dull blue appearance.


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Posted 03 September 2018 - 08:08 PM

also what i find cool is the finish is much better on the S1928's!...no cross hatching marks from the factory...they took time to give them a nice finish

 

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Posted 03 September 2018 - 08:33 PM

I find no marks whatsoever on the foregrip.

Buttstock has matching serial numbers which is correct and pistol grip has the "S"

 


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Posted 03 September 2018 - 09:26 PM

So what I am gathering is the grip is most likely original to the weapon but just sanded down through the years. I wood stick with the sanded down grip which is original to the Thompson. Also, lets say I have a particular wood furniture that is authentic to a weapon that a GI decided to carve into or sand down. Is the weapon it belongs to anyless of an example or less desirable than one that stayed on a shelf somewhere and looks as if it were never used?
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Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:08 AM

I find no marks whatsoever on the foregrip.
Buttstock has matching serial numbers which is correct and pistol grip has the "S"


Is there any numbers under the butt stock slide hardware?

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:43 AM

So what I am gathering is the grip is most likely original to the weapon but just sanded down through the years. I wood stick with the sanded down grip which is original to the Thompson. Also, lets say I have a particular wood furniture that is authentic to a weapon that a GI decided to carve into or sand down. Is the weapon it belongs to anyless of an example or less desirable than one that stayed on a shelf somewhere and looks as if it were never used?

halftrack,

 

My personal opinion is the grip is likely not original to the gun.  It appears to me to be a later Savage grip, somewhat flat on the sides, similar to the later production Savage 1928A1 Models when they were pumping them out for the war effort.  The early Savage grips that I have seen tend to have the Savage "S" stamp with serifs (see huggytree's post # 6).  The later grips usually have the "S" sans-serifs. The very early Savage grips, especially one on a 17,000 serial number gun, would be more carefully finished.  The pictures in post # 9 show a grip similar in contour to the original Colt era grips.


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Posted 04 September 2018 - 09:11 AM

i think to fit that loose its more than sanded down....why would someone sand it down around where it fits the gun???

 

im thinking its not quite the right grip...sanding would be on the sides or bottom....a correct grip like that is hard to find!....i think asking forum members would be best..its how i found mine...ive looked for a spare on ebay and GB for 3 years and have yet to ever see one....its a specific piece of wood.....

 

hoping you have the 3rd matching # on your stock...if not a forum member has a 3# matching one for sale....dont remember who he was, but his asking price was too high for me at the time..ive got a 2 matching like you have and i use a un numbered latch....not sure if they ever left the factory w a un numbered latch or not 

 

i will also say the inside of stock metal is pristine!!!...mine has a bit of rust in there....yours looks factory new....


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Posted 04 September 2018 - 11:45 AM

Id guess it was spilt and someone smoothed out. As mentioned, probably not the original

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 12:14 PM


So what I am gathering is the grip is most likely original to the weapon but just sanded down through the years. I wood stick with the sanded down grip which is original to the Thompson. Also, lets say I have a particular wood furniture that is authentic to a weapon that a GI decided to carve into or sand down. Is the weapon it belongs to anyless of an example or less desirable than one that stayed on a shelf somewhere and looks as if it were never used?

halftrack,
 
My personal opinion is the grip is likely not original to the gun.  It appears to me to be a later Savage grip, somewhat flat on the sides, similar to the later production Savage 1928A1 Models when they were pumping them out for the war effort.  The early Savage grips that I have seen tend to have the Savage "S" stamp with serifs (see huggytree's post # 6).  The later grips usually have the "S" sans-serifs. The very early Savage grips, especially one on a 17,000 serial number gun, would be more carefully finished.  The pictures in post # 9 show a grip similar in contour to the original Colt era grips.

Thanks!

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