IBC Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) I have this marking on Savage A1 what is this?Thanks Edited December 26, 2021 by IBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillyDixon Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 is this gun live or welded ? that mark might be a european deactive stamp , i think ive seen it before on another tsmg in england,, and welcome to this board,,just sayn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 Thanks, it is live NO.S 497XXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilator Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 Looks like a german deactivation stamp the so called «Raute » Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilator Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 It is not a deactivation stamp, it is the German proof house stamp from Cologne. So it must be a semi-auto conversion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 (edited) Thank you Annihilator, as far as I know this is a fully automatic gun but could have been made some time semi-automatic and changed again Edited December 26, 2021 by IBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilator Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 You can check this by stripping the gun and inspecting the upper receiver, if it was a semi-auto, you will notice specific modifications, and on the lower receiver the selector was weld or an new excentric hole was drilled for a semi selector. Is the lower matching numbers to the upper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 I'm not got the gun in my hands yet, and it's not matching numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppgcowboy Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 IBC what does a full auto Thompson cost in Iceland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 Annihilator,Great information! +1 for sure. IBC,We want to know more about this Savage 1928A1. Thank you for posting. Note the lack of an Index line on the barrel collar; most likely a replacement barrel. We need additional pictures of this late Savage to make a proper evaluation. All good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 IBC what does a full auto Thompson cost in Iceland?about $4500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) Annihilator,Great information! +1 for sure. IBC,We want to know more about this Savage 1928A1. Thank you for posting. Note the lack of an Index line on the barrel collar; most likely a replacement barrel. We need additional pictures of this late Savage to make a proper evaluation. All good stuff!I know the barrel has been replaced but I'm not got the gun yet Edited December 27, 2021 by IBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMG28 Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Annihilator, What is the significance of the number under the proof mark symbol? It appears that all of the different proof houses have space for a number there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMGguy Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 IBC, markings look correct in the post above for the serial number range. Also looks like correct smooth pivot, safety, and actuator. The finish (what I can see of it) also looks original, with the blue on the receiver appearing slightly purple compared to the frame. Looks nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertord Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) It appears that the selector has possibly been modified (Welded?) where it meets the lower? Edited December 27, 2021 by inertord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 interord,I am missing something. I agree it appears the pivot plate may be staked in place or or possibly welded, but the rocker pivot is on FULL AUTO. I don't understand how keeping the pivot plate from being removed from the frame would impact the type of fire unless some modification was made inside the frame. Of course, with another frame, one would be good to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annihilator Posted December 29, 2021 Report Share Posted December 29, 2021 Annihilator, What is the significance of the number under the proof mark symbol? It appears that all of the different proof houses have space for a number there.As far as i understood, the diamond stands for a modification to the gun: for example converting to semi-auto. The number is related to a specific dealer or person who has introduced the demand for modification for a certain model of gun. There is a list with the numbers showing the model and the name of the dealer or individual person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Sorry guys for not responding, I was waiting for the gun, but I found another that I like more. Not Savage but Auto-Ordnance. Now I have matching lower and upper serial number. About the Savage, It does not look like it has been welded. Regards Tryggvi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 IBCAt Iceland prices, I too would own two Thompson guns! A word to the wise. Check the serial number on the frame to make sure the matching serial number and A.O. prefix have been roll marked or machine pressed and not hand-stamped. Or another number has been removed. I can tell the frame is from the Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport (AOB) factory, just like the receiver. Note the milled ejector. That is not original to the gun when it left the factory. Same with the butt stock with the cross bolt. The knurled actuator may be correct and is a plus. It will be interesting to see the manufacturer markings on the actuator, bolt and Blish lock. Congratulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbcps Posted December 30, 2021 Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 IBCAt Iceland prices, I too would own two Thompson guns! A word to the wise. Check the serial number on the frame to make sure the matching serial number and A.O. prefix have been roll marked or machine pressed and not hand-stamped. Or another number has been removed. I can tell the frame is from the Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport (AOB) factory, just like the receiver. Note the milled ejector. That is not original to the gun when it left the factory. Same with the butt stock with the cross bolt. The knurled actuator may be correct and is a plus. It will be interesting to see the manufacturer markings on the actuator, bolt and Blish lock. Congratulations! There appears to be some nice Thompson 1928A1's in Iceland. As Tom said, it has a Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport trigger frame. The subtle difference between Savage and AO trigger frames is found on the trigger assembly; the selectors on Auto Ordnance Bridgeport produced Thompsons are marked, 'full auto', on one single line, while on Savage manufactured Thompsons, 'full' is on one line, with 'Auto' stamped below it. That and more identifying differences can be found in this link: Identifying Savage and Auto-Ordnance Bridgeport Manufactured Thompsons - Thompson Submachine Gun Message Board - MachineGunBoards.com Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted December 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2021 Thanks for all the information, here is some photo of parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD. Posted December 31, 2021 Report Share Posted December 31, 2021 No surprises with the internal parts. While I would prefer A.O.C. marked internal parts, Savage "S" marked parts also correct. It appears to me the barrel has been replaced given the index lines on the receiver and barrel collar do not line up. The good news is the barrel was replaced with a USGI Stevens finned replacement barrel. This one is a keeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBC Posted January 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Happy New Year, Thank you all very much for all the help. It's great to be able to seek advice from knowledgeable people. No surprises with the internal parts. While I would prefer A.O.C. marked internal parts, Savage "S" marked parts also correct. It appears to me the barrel has been replaced given the index lines on the receiver and barrel collar do not line up. The good news is the barrel was replaced with a USGI Stevens finned replacement barrel. This one is a keeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klocker Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Hi IBC Congratulations, you have a very nice Auto Ordonance 28. I find it uncommon to find on such a short notice 2 1928's, one Savage and one Auto Ordonance. Especially if you are on an island so well done :-) It is also nice to see another European country where it's citizen's are still able to own full auto guns. The best thing Iceland did was cancel its request to join the Union :-) Please tell me, are there a lot of gun collectors in Iceland? If by any chance you have access to spare parts like barrels for thompson, let me know :-) Did it come with a horizontal or vertical grip? Straight or drum mag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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