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#1 michaelkih

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 11:44 PM

I have first dibs on this all original, and all matching 1943 MP40, and I'm pretty much ready to pull the trigger, but this will be my first and only MP40 purchase, so I'm just not sure what to look for.

 

Here is what is included with it

 

-6 1943 mags

-2 1943 mag pouches

-Correct Nazi loader

-Slightly comical letter about how the soldier got it, brought it back, and gave it to his toddler son (good old days). He sounds like he was a great and funny man.  Sadly he passed away a while back.

 

I like history, hence why I buy C&R guns, and not rewats or tube guns, and the letter is neat, and magazines all dated 1943, but really my main thing of interest  is the gun PERIOD.

 

Couple things I have noticed, questions for you experts, and things to look at.

 

-That spot near the magazine button.  Is that a repair? Bad / good?

-That spot under and in front of the mag well.  Is that a normal dent?  What could it be?  Problem?

-To bring it home, he had to tap a bolt into the end of the barrel.  He then had a great gunsmith remove the 1/2" of threads from inside the barrel, and re crowned it about 1/2" back into the barrel.  Shoots perfect, and has a very low round count.  Big problem?  Common?  Who cares since it is a low count matching barrel?

 

That's really it.  Thanks for your help guys.  I really do appreciate it!  I'm pretty much ready to buy this gun, but just want to see what you experts think, and if it's a bad buy, good buy, or GREAT buy!  Thank you!

 

 

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#2 michaelkih

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Posted 08 October 2014 - 11:45 PM

Also, he says it is 100% matching, but I just want to make sure he is looking at everything.  Does anyone know every part that was numbered on these guns so I can have him double check it for me?


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Posted 09 October 2014 - 02:39 PM

$19,000 seems awfully high to me, but I'm sure there are some experts who will weigh in on the gun's condition.


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Posted 09 October 2014 - 03:24 PM

$19,000 seems awfully high to me, but I'm sure there are some experts who will weigh in on the gun's condition.


Just spoke with him, and he offered $17,500. Guess I'll take it!
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Posted 09 October 2014 - 08:37 PM

I'm not an expert but I see some red flags with this gun.
I suggest you wait and get some more opinions from the guys on this board who know a lot more than me.

Good luck
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Posted 09 October 2014 - 08:52 PM

Ok. I'll wait to hear more. Thanks.
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Posted 09 October 2014 - 10:43 PM

Hi michaelkih,

 

Nice digging to find an old gun like this MP-40.  I've not been looking at MP-40's for awhile but I think I'm correct in saying that there should not be a hole through the receiver just above and in front of the magazine release button.  Drilled through both sides of the receiver also.  I suspect that the hole is the remains of making the gun non-serviceable at some time in past history.

 

Again, it has been awhile, but the "dent" in the bottom of the receiver tube is part of the way that the trunnion is attached to the receiver.  In other words, IIRC, it is correct for this gun.

 

Something to check on any MP-40 is the folding stock and how it locks in the extended (and retracted) positions.  I hear it is hard to fix if it has excessive play and you likely know that parts have been out of print for a lifetime.

 

Germans liked to put numbers on all kinds of parts.  Again, IIRC, Barrel, grip frame, bolt, firing pin, folding stock, were numbered.  I can't remember more of the top of my head.

 

IMHO, it is a nice shooter.  I don't know how serious collectors will view the extra hole in the receiver and the altered barrel.  I've always been told to look at what a gun will sell for when buying it.  On the other hand, it has some history and if you like shooting them, it should be just fine.  Great sights.  The MP-40 has no cheek weld to speak of which bothers some folks.  Drop a FBP SMG bolt assembly into the gun and leave the MP-40 bolt at home.  (The FBP bolt just drops in and has the firing pin as part of the bolt unlike the MP-40 with the really long floating firing pin.)  Watch light ammo.  The ones I've played with will run-away with light ammo so the obvious - only put a few rounds in your first magazine just in case the recoil can not get the bolt back on the sear.

 

Enjoy,

 

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Edited by Grasshopper, 09 October 2014 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:10 AM

So there is a visible hole through the receiver? And the barrel is bored out for 1/2" near muzzle? Not good.  All original, all matching, good. Capture paperwork would help.

I do not like to comment on price. But it just seems well above the market average.


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Posted 10 October 2014 - 06:45 AM

Michaelkih
You say you don't buy Rewat's but that is what this gun is- a reactivated war trophy.
The hole in the receiver woul be a real problem for a lot of potential buyers when you decide to sell it in the future.
I just bought an MP40- after 2 years of searching- that was all matching and amnesty registered.
I paid about the same your seller is asking.
The rewats MP40's I have looked at usually sold for some where between the price of a tube gun and a unaltered gun.
If it was me I would walk away from this and keep looking- the search is half the fun.
Hope this helps.
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 11:08 AM

My MP40 is a very early Haenel made gun (3 digit serial number, smooth mag well.)  It has no large "dent" on the bottom of the receiver.  It is not deformed there in any way.  In fact, there are waffenampts stamped there.  I think that dent is another negative.


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 10:21 PM

Even at $17,500 this is priced very high. I wouldn't feel comfortable spending more than $13K on this MP40 considering the condition (if the pouches are absolutely original maybe $14K. I'm not an expert on pouches but you need to be careful on these... many great fakes out there). The "dent" is normal. Some of the manufactures used this method to stake the trunion in place. The hole in the receiver and the re-crowned barrel are major detractors. Personally I would not want a gun with these flaws. 

 

These guns are not rare and I would pass on this one if I were you... 


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 08:44 PM

I also have a 43 ayf mp40 that is all matching. My barrel was also pluged sometime in its history and is missing 1/8" off the front. Yes the dent is factory and your finish is in good shape. The hole would bug me, but that's just me. The pouches look to good to be true (70 years old). C&R mp40 prices seem to be running from low teens to low twentys for a story and mint gun.
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Posted 20 October 2014 - 12:22 AM

Yea, I think the holes may be causing me to not buy it.  Freaking sucks :(


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Posted 04 November 2014 - 10:53 PM

Well I passed on this gun after all.  It is now listed on gunbroker if anyone is interested in it.


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Posted 04 November 2014 - 11:13 PM

Well I passed on this gun after all.  It is now listed on gunbroker if anyone is interested in it.

A wise decision IMHO... I would not have paid anywhere near that for a MP40 that had a hole drilled through the receiver. Even without the hole I don't think it is worth that. Nice, matching MP40's can be had in the $13-15k range if you take you time. Any MP40 priced over $16k is over priced in my opinion. 


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 03:05 PM

Have been into Mp-40s for 40 years. like Thompson's.. a very very smart move. you are wise to still shop for one.

 

late to the party on this one to comment. when you find the right one it will speak to you. just remember to listen, and when the right one comes along. be ready to buy that minute.no waiver no hesitation. Also on the pouch set I had a few that nice and all original's.{ however remember some are really good at aging rep's. and they have been out there for over 30 plus years now.so once new with age now. they can fool many around.and those are CZech reps possibly. or at the Front company.

 

the MP-44 mags I sold recently in twenty years will look like originals to some....so its best to ask here before you cut the check's..

 

my worse MP-40

a shooter still looked better then that. good luck on the HUNT. Ron Cot 21a


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 05:39 PM

I have a MP40, all matching , very nice condition, single diget serial #, that I've had for over 30 years. I have not shot it in years as they got more costly. It's now a proud safe queen but goes to gun shows in my show glass box so no one can touch my display. I would not even consider selling it for $20,000.


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Posted 07 November 2014 - 06:48 PM

No mention on gb about the hole and he is claiming 95% finish. If this is 95%, then I have some in the 150% finish area.
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Posted 09 November 2014 - 11:54 PM

I picked up a nice bring back MP44 instead with 2000 rounds of PRVI ammo instead  for less money!  Pictures to come!


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Posted 09 January 2015 - 09:00 AM

Talking vet bringbacks. I am contemplating a vet bringback mp40 that was never tampered with and registered during the amnesty. I've seen it and held it, has original finish with some minor handling rash and minor spots here and there being it is the age it is. Functions perfectly, great bore, etc. Just wondering what the market currently demands for original, great condition specimens, since I know the tube market is somewhere in the 10k range. Thank you
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