junglewalk Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Raphael; Let me fall in line here with the rest of the guys, to assure you that your 27 can be made to perform.....I too went through the fustrating hell you & everyone else has had with Kahr's beauty (beast?).......... Let me first suggest while the gun is under the one year warrantee, to send an email to Kahr, with the serial number & tell them the firing pin broke !!!.......a month later, tell them the charging handle broke off from the fork......Then you will have a spare of each, if & when these break later....Once your one year is up, they pretend you don't exist....so get some parts now.....opps!.your extractor broke also, get a spare now, by emailing them and acting shocked ! ha! I have had over 21 yrs with machine guns etc on tanks in the Army, and when I got my Kahr, I found out fast this experience would help to maintain & speed-up this sucker...........Yes the mags & drum all need 'adjusting', and certain things can be done to 'speed' up the bolt action to fire faster, but yet of course, still semi-action. If you lived near Knob Creek, Ky, we could do all this together.....I have done some other things to mine, and I'll post some pics here asap... You paid the cost of the the thing (yeah, really accurate), if you have the patience, and like the idea of working on it, you may even get to the point where you will love it, and want to SBR it. Ha...! Go thru thr 1927A1 archives, and read..all the guys here are so smart, and have done it all.............jw http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglewalk Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 I can't figure how to add these pics to my entry above.........But here you can see i added a Springfield peep-sight, by cutting off the awful so-called 'v' notch and adding the peep. It aids in quick trgt/sight alignment, and I do it w/both eyes open...I got this idea from one of the Tommy shooters who always goes thru the Jungle Walk with his 1928. It will adjust for close-in & all the way out to 150 yds; also left and right w/knob......... I also removed the butt plate and replaced it with a Springfield butt plate that I filed & bent to fit the Kahr stock. I also cut a nice big hole in the walnut for an oiler to go in the little hatch.......... When the firing pin breaks, do not throw away...Email me, and I will send you a pic of how to cut down the broken one, and make it better than it was. (right now, email Kahr and tell them your f/pin broke, so you have a spare; then, oh, your extractor broke next month too.) http://www.hunt101.com/img/085632.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglewalk Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 here is the rear sight...I wish I could put more than one pic w/each entry.....jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglewalk Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Here is a rear view of it..........When my charging handle broke off the fork, I ordered the rounded one Doug Richardson makes....He is recovering from catera/eye operations, and will resume production soon......A replacement charge handle is about $26. from Kahr.......It never should have broken...jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamm Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 It really amazes me that a company can get away with this crap. They are obviously using the wrong materials and then not finnishing them right. Man o Man that would drive me nuts! I have a early West Hurley 27A1 (1975) and straight out of the box, it shot thousands of rounds up until a year ago when something let go internally. PK has it now and all is well. Could you imagine if a car maker produced a product like this?! Cheers, Zamm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Fliegenheimer Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Zamm, In the 1970's, Detroit car manufacturers were indifferent to quality control. They took American buyers for granted and figured they did not have any recourse. Enter Japan and Germany. As long as people continue to patronize Kahr, nothing will change. Having adjustments made after market by PK does not solve the problem, it only enables Kahr to stay in business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamm Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Arthur, Bingo! Phil, Great idea. I can imagine the frustration of dropping $800 on one of these and then going nuts trying to make it work. Perhaps a poll on people who have had to get there Kahr's repeatedly repaired, and/or after market tuning such as by PK? If some numbers where presented, it would be a start. It sure sounds like everyone out of the box has problems. Cheers, Zamm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted January 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 I'm still pretty new here, and I have 2 questions that might be stupid. But if you don't ask you'll never know. 1. What/who is PK? 2. What is "the Jungle Walk"? After reading about all these other problems (firing pin, etc. breaking) I'm really concerned. I'd be more than willing to write down my experiences in more detail if a lawsuit is brought to help us win. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/wink.gif As my friend said, Kahr's motto should be, "Some filing required". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter63a Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Raphael, PK is Paul Krogh (hope I spelled the last name right). He is a gunsmith (Class II, manufacturer) who lives out in Colorado. He knows and loves all types of Thompsons. He even works on the 'black sheep' of the family, the Kahr semiautomatics! http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif He is a member of this board and, if he can't make your Thompson run, then it probably can't be done. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/blink.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Junglewalk is a member of this board and it is also a shooting trail, I believe at Knob Creek. http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Regards, Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 To be sure Raphael, I had many of the same problems as yourself. The drum problem in particular is familiar, but rather than try and fix it, I just sent the whole works to PK in Colorado. I have now a reliable gun that I also like quite a bit. Yes, it costs money, but in a way its an investment, besides I'm happy with the gun now, its not just some piece of mass produced junk anymore. I didn't trust kahr to fix it properly either, which mayn't be fair, but when you release a product as buggy as an MS operating system, you must expect people to look askance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglewalk Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Raphael; Since 1989, the 'Jungle Walk' has been a sub-mg course I run at Knob Creek rg for the owner, during the Machine Gun Shoots, in Apr & Oct each year.My Webpage not my web page,but the range's. I live 10 minutes from there, and spend a lot of time there also..Here is the explaination of the course. Anyone can try it !.....jw http://www.machinegunbooks.com/forums/invboard1_1_2/upload/html/emoticons/laugh.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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